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E-Bike category has no segments

Hi,

I hired an e-mtb and rode on some of my regular trails.

I uploaded as an e-bike which to my disappointment had a completely different set of segments.

It would be far better if it included e-bikes (but marked as e-bike) in the main section of Strava so that we can ride our favourite segments and rate them against our own times and our followed and followers.

If they are in the main section you could have an option for people to either mask or un-mask e-bike depending on their feelings about them,

 

Regards

Kevin

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  • E-bikers could just take the battery out and do the segment again....

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  • Pim van Helten's question seems very apt.  I'm 76 and riding a newly-converted DIY road e-bike.  I have bad knees and wear a pacemaker.  The e-bike lets me ride further and stay with fit (and younger cyclists) on rides. Unfortunately, I live in an e-bike desert and may be the only recreational road cyclist on an e-bike in my area.  I was flagged in a group ride yesterday by an unhappy cyclist.  When I converted my ride to an e-bike activity, I had zero segments.  I'm also pre-computer in my skills, and I've never created a segment--relying on those created by others who know how to do those things.

    It would be nice if Strava would just put something like an * on an e-bike segment mixed with regular bikes.  Then the "real" riders could discount the leaderboard results, while the e-bike rider gets to compare his/her times with other riders.  That's a good part of the fun.

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  • First the negative out the way-
    But you are competing against others unfairly, I understand your case with a pacemaker, and find it impressive to dedicate time to keep healthy despite disability, my grandad had a pacemaker, so I can understand the life change, kudos to you. I understand the pacemaker and bad knees can take a huge toll, but by using an e-bike against people who use power is not fair. These guys have dedicated time to improve themselves and put blood sweat and tears into every segment they have done, naturally. I give everything to sometimes scrape into the top 10 in my area, and am in awe to the daily dedication that others put in and deservedly achieve better than me, Dirk included (he's a machine).

    I however wholeheartedly agree, allowing you to keep up with others with electric power (strava aside) despite a pacemaker and bad knees is a good part of e-bikes-but you can learn by using YouTube and learning how to create segments in your area.

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  • Subsequently about 2 years ago at the end of the summer when I peaked my fitness for that year, I went on a tour with a guy with an e-bike, he wasn't in good shape, bought it (and I can understand its usefulness in summer commuting) and completely destroyed me when the gradient gotmtoo heavy. You can't compete. And if he had strava I would feel pretty sour because the effort was solely with a battery and light pedalling.

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  • Please,Strava, just copy bike segments to ebike segments. Why should I copy all manually? No point!

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  • Do Strava even read this?

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  • Well, at least show ebikers standing grayed out and visible only for ebikers. I like to compare my ebike times with profesional cyclists. 

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  • "Unfortunately, we're not able to simply copy all cycling segments to the e-bike category. Hopefully the community is well on it's way to creating new segments for e-bikes. "

    Why not?  Is it a lack of space in the database, or a lack of available talent to write the appropriate SQL statement?

    If it is lack of space, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE just give us a "Copy Segment" button to clone an existing non E-Bike segment to be an E-Bike segment.

     

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  • Elle Anderson

    "Thanks everyone, 

    Unfortunately, we're not able to simply copy all cycling segments to the e-bike category. Hopefully the community is well on it's way to creating new segments for e-bikes. 

    One other tip - if you'd like to list your e-bike ride as a cycling activity in order to track your progress on existing segments, you can do so IF you select the "Hide from Segment Leaderboard" option"

     

    Why not just make E bike a class in ride like weight and age, then the segments would show and results would be in the right class. Simple 

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  • Great suggestion Pete, but treating E-bike rides as a segment filter like age and weight has already been considered. The decision was made to create a separate activity type. We are also examining a similar situation for mountain biking. 

    I'll definitely make note of the suggestion to provide a copy function to an existing cycling segment to duplicate it for another activity type. I think this sounds like a great idea, and I hope it's possible. 

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  • Of course, group rides also could be a separate category.  Rode over 20mph once on a group ride.  No way I could have done it alone.

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  • Dear Strava,

    Please make it like this:

    If a ride is changed to "ebike ride" the segments for bikes should still be visible (no need for separate category!) and a separate leaderboards should be displayed, one with the leaderboard of real bikers and second one with the leaderboard of ebikers. It's a cool feature. Ebikers can compare times with cyclists.

    Instead of duplicating database of segments you can add separate leaderboards, which I guess, may take less space. I suppose that expectations of ebikers are pretty much the same as expectations of classic bikers. So the segments for ebikers are ready and present worldwide. Why should ebikers create a database which will be 90% the same? Is there a need for that?

     

    Thanks!

     

     

     

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  • Instead of a copy function, ebikes should be just a different category on the same segment. I just started using Strava and looks like I will stop using it just as soon.

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  • Henrik Huhtinen  I've stopped the premium payment and got back to the free one as it's not worth paying when there no segments but for free it's worth it.

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  • Recording E-Bikes is fine for personal use but fundamentally problematic if trying to compare E-Bike riders against each other. By all means have separate leader boards but you're listing vehicles of different powers and is akin to racing Minis against Ferraris - who are the faster drivers? Probably the Ferrari drivers!

    Of course they cannot be listed against against pedal-power, that'd be cheating.

    Keep it fun :)

     

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  • Surely “normal” bikes are the same. Ferrari’s against less good “normal” bikes yet they are listed together. There are more ebikes on the go so Strava has to do something otherwise it’s not worth paying to be on it. I’ll not pay for full memebership as I’m not getting a full service.

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  • @Moira: Are you serious? Can you not tell the difference between "motor" and "no motor"? Human power vs. electric power? Strava is about cycling, running, pure human efforts. Adding an electric aid makes it blurry.

    Of course a XC-Racehardail is faster than an Enduro-Bike on mountain climbs - but all in all it's human power. E-MTBs come in 250W to 1000W motor power....+ 100 to 200W cyclist power. Every comparison is really sick and useless.

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  • Fair comment about expensive bikes - but as we all know it's the weight of the rider that counts. Sitting on a cheaper bike and focussing on losing a few pounds pays dividends and saves a fortune. What is relevant is that all motive power is muscle based, you cannot justify putting a motor into the mix and thinking it makes sense. Whilst Strava is not governed by UCI it should follow its lead.

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  • Ultimately it would make sense to split the scoreboards according to category of bike you are riding. This is the most fair way to do it. Putting a heavy enduro bike head to head with a carbon XC bike in the scoreboards on climbs is as unfair as putting them head to head on the decents.

    Putting a 75Nm eMTB in the same scoreboard as a 170Nm eMTB is also never going to make for a fair scoreboard. When you put such different bikes capable of being ridden at such different speeds head to head in the same scoreboard the results will never be based totally on the riders ability.

    At the end of the day everybody on Strava loves riding on 2 wheels, it’s really up to Strava to decide how many of their users they will offer a versatile enough platform to.

    Personally I think it would be a better product if the system had separate scoreboards on existing segments depending on the class (Road CX,XC,DH,Enduro, eMTB
    etc), and or power (75Nm, 80Nm,100Nm etc) of bike you are riding. Yes it’s more complicated but we live in a complex world and bike / eBike are genres encompassing far too many diverse users.

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  • Dirk sorry didn’t mean ebikes against “real” bikes. Someone said in a comment it would be difficult for ebikes as they have different power capacities and couldn’t be put together. I was saying all ebikes should be together regardless of battery power as “real” bikes have different benefits. That’s what I meant by Jaguar bikes. 😉 Just want to be able to compare to other ebikes and also put segments in. So far not managed to do any of these. 🚲

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  • Why does everything have to turn into motor/no motor discussion? Somehow I’m not surprised, people want to control what imaginary beings other people lie they believe in, and what they do and who with in their bedrooms, so controlling what kind of bikes other people ride just comes naturally..

    All e-bikers want is to be able to use the same segments in e-bike category, with our own leaderboards, not to compete in the same leaderboards as normal bikes. It is just insane to have to manually ride&draw all the segments already existing in Strava.

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  • @dirk i can feel your discomfort for e-bikes, they are amazing training tools and it would be nice to have an easy way to compare them to real segments, you are obviously a hater and your comments don't add anything to growing our community. After reading your comments i don't think you understand, so im not going to waste my time. Good luck hating.

    @strava making a copy segment to e-bike segments would be very helpful if you don't want to mix them or the option to do the segmentation by  age group and type of bike is a great idea. I think the second one makes more sense especially for people that ride different types of bikes.

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  • It' also a shame that if you make a segment and get a KOM it dosent show up in your KOM achievement list, it only shows on the segment list

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  • @Manolo: Please don‘t call me a hater. I am not! My wife owns an EBike for commuting. What I do dislike are leadboards impurified by Ebikes. Many of their rider are simply unaware of selecting the right category. But some of them know what they are doing, they like to huff regular bikers. 

    Some posts ago I made the suggestion for a copy function, although segments for Ebikes don‘t make much sense in my view (they might make sense for some downhill stuff). 

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  • @Elle Anderson

    I'm afraid you made the wrong decision then. Of course it would be better to have it a Ebike segment filter, so please reconsider. Then the ebike people would not be tempted to post their rides as normal rides, which obviously is the case at he moment since the ebike category do not work very well. If you also make it possible to save your default filter settings, the people that don't want to see ebikes on the lists would not ever have to see them. It would be like there are no ebikes... Problem solved!

    At the same time the people riding ebikes could compare themselves to normal riders if they have the desire. I mainly perform enduro-like riding and on the segments I focus on there would be be no benefit riding an ebike. And letting the ebikes in would only mean more riders to compare yourselves against, which is positive in my opinion. 

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  • I also ride both normal mtb and e-mtb. I change all normal segments to ebike segments very hard to do. Would be nice if it could be copied or something. I live in Europe and here 250watt is the maximum power allowed. So if the ebike rides the trail it mostly original bikes with Bosch Bafang or Yamaha motor with maximum 250watts. Of course I am faster then human powered bikes but why do non ebikers do not see that it just another type of cycling. Try it and you're sold. I do both so I can know it! If Strava would improve the ebike in there app, more ebikers would choose ebike instead of normal bike in the segments. Gr Dennis

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  • I can't believe Strava has supported this madness.

    Now we have legions of hubbards on their mopeds terrorising roads, bike paths and shared spaces with their hopeless bike handling skills trying to get these ridiculous eKOMs.

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  • You are a total jerk Craig. If it doesn't interest you, go somewhere a find a life.

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  • @Craig You're a complete ignoramus.

    @Strava I will chime in and say that I've created dozens of e-bike segments for the Bay Area, and it's been nothing but a delight doing so.

    Just ride.

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  • Wow, eBike KOM chasers are clearly fans of ad hominem.
    A jerk and an ignoramous. How will I cope.

    @Andy, it does interest me because I've almost been wiped out a number of times by eBikes riding like maniacs on shared paths.
    eBikes that clearly have been modified to exceed legal power limits (how else do you avg 50kph for 7km on a 20kg bike??)... and then we have Strava legitimising this madness.

    @Dana, OK "complete ignoramous". Whatever - I've been riding road bikes for 25 years, got no problem with eBikes getting more people riding - just got an issue with idiots with no common sense chasing eKOMs.

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