Designate between a "Group" and a "Solo" ride on Strava

This would allow Strava cyclists to tag a ride as a group ride or a solo ride, and also be able to sort segment leaderboards by those filters.

 

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  • I think this is absolutely essential.  If I record a ride with a large group over the same course I usually ride solo, I can take 10-20% off of my time without any increase in effort.  This messes up how I track my improvement on solo laps/segments.

    It would also be helpful if there were a way to designate between say, a small group (2-4 riders), a typical sized group or training ride (say, 5-20 riders), and a larger group (such as the main field/peloton in a road race or charity ride) as the drafting benefits change significantly in these situations.

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  • I think this would be great.  I ride solo a lot and it would be nice to compare apples to apples instead of me vs a pelaton. 

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  • Agree, lot's of false KOM's where a person was drafting with a group.

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  • Agreed!

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  • THis would be a great feature.  I often ride in groups or with my team.

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  • Ditto!  This is a critical bit of information and should be a simple toggle.  

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  • How many people need to post on this topic for it to be implemented??!! If there is another riding app that could do this users would swap over from Strava as quick as a peleton-led-out KOM

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  • There used to be a "Group" Ride box to tick.  I agree it would be nice to be able to filter Leader Boards like this.

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  • A very good idea, we never see a stage that mixes ITT and TTT in the Tour do we?

    Have just seen that I've dropped 10 places  to 13th on a segment by a group of 10 that was 4s faster than me, it ruins one of Strava's main features.

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  • As a female solo rider I'm motivated to grab QOMs to keep me pushing hard. Most of the QOMs in my area are won by women riding with at least one strong male they draft behind - but often with a whole group of guys (not women). It feels pretty sweet to grab a QOM from someone on a lighter bike, who's riding with support - but dang -it's wee bit annoying to work your ass off, only to see another chick pluck a crown away whilst wheeksucking behind her racing beau.

    Solo riders get 100% headwind - no moving rest/recovery - it's a different ride altogether.
    It should at least be a Premium Member option. Or just a colour differential/star/S or something to show in the leaderboards who rides true solo - and who sucks wheel. ;)

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  • Been asking for this for YEARS for all the reasons above...it makes so much sense...yet we still don't have it, and my times are totally useless if I've done a group ride on that route/segment and would like to know how I'm doing on my solo rides. All I can measure and compare is my overall ride time. Seems like it would be SO EASY to implement this! (Strava?? Hello???) Yep...same as it ever was...crickets.

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  • Was in a 'KOM-battle' with a few friends, taking a specific KOM (6 miles, approx. 15 min) and losing it to the other every few days. Last friday I got it back and that's fun, talking about the segment during the weekend and watching the others try and beat it.

    Today a chaingang rode the segment a couple of times, upping the speed and sprinting for the finish. The result: I've dropped to 9th and my friends dropped out of the top 10. Response: "we're done with this segment, we can't beat it alone". Bye bye fun battle.

    Please, please, please add a groupride-toggle.

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  • Want want... we all know there's a huge difference....
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  • Well, in response to Steve Weixel about one point, Strava can tell if you made a ride with other people *if* they upload their rides to Strava. In fact, that's what's so frustrating about the leaderboard. I'll see the KOM of some stretch of road which is normally pretty windy, and you look at the KOM's ride and it says "Ridden with 9 other people". Well...  no *wonder* that whole pack occupies 1-9 on the leaderboard now..

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  • Have any of you ever thought of creating a segment with U-Turns and I mean having a few of them.

    Fast group riding requires straight and flowing paths, therefore the more turning / breaking involved the group cannot work that well together, that is a skill that the pro's have as they will continue to power through a corner.

    Take note if you ride in a group how much the group stretches after taking a corner and even more so on a U-turn

    I have written a page(using the strava api) which provides an example which you can use to check an activity and segment and see if was a group or solo effort, enjoy the app

    http://strava.lopeys.com/grouporsolo.php  

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  • As baz luhrmann would say . "In the end you are only competing against yourself". That's what I'd be using a solo tag for, to compare my solo rides with peloton rides.

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  • What they said!

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  • Would be great for comparisons, if we could tag rides with a group i.e. Saturday Morning Group ride then filter based on these tags it would be fantastic.

    Happy for premium only feature.

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  • It would be a nice feature, just when referencing back to rides.

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  • This is a great idea.. Since we all know that drafting can increase your top end speed depending on who is pulling.

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  • Opinions are like.... and of course, everybody has one. I am sure the nice folks at Strava will see all those for (and the very few against) this and make their decision to implement it accordingly.

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  • @ Matt, but he isn't the fastest, the other 9 guys were

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  • It seems like it would be simple to implement - and what is the harm?

    To those who (correctly) point out that it's not a race I'd say that it's instead a motivation... those of us that must always ride solo don't have other riders to push (or to be pushed by).

    For me the segments give me something to shoot at... They are what makes Strava the outstanding app that it is. Being able to compare apples to apples would be nice - even if it wasn't always accurate.

     

     

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  • I would like to see this feature, and I'd also like to see solo vs. group leaderboards.  I don't care who thinks flat segments are silly, I enjoy trying to best other people in the flats, I find it a great motivator, and I almost always ride solo.  Saying that "drafting is a legitimate part" of flat KOMs is missing the point.  Many people want to test their own cycling ability against others' cycling ability in a sprint or flat TT.  That's fun.  Testing one's cycling ability against someone else's ability to organize a group of riders to ride together at the same time is not fun.

    Saying that a flat segment is a contest of who has the best tailwind is a gross oversimplification.  If that were true, those leaderboards would be random, but the same names are often near the top on flat segments. Weather is a naturally occurring and random element, but having a group of fast friends is not.

    Look, most of us will never get close to a climbing KOM, but we have a chance at certain flat KOMs. I think this is a pretty common experience for avid users of strava, so it should be supported. It's very frustrating to work hard to win a KOM and then one day fall 10 places because a group ride went through. 

    As far as enforcement, I would suggest self reporting as the first step.  Or, Strava can auto-tag a ride/segment as "group" when multiple riders go through, and then force the rider to respond to check a box to say, "no this was solo, it wasn't a group ride." People who want to could still lie/cheat, but that's true anyway since they can draft cars or drive and ride a motorcycle.  Another option could be to have people flag a ride as a group ride. Sometimes it's obvious, if the top 5 riders all rode it on the same day with similar times.  None of these would be perfect, but I think it would work for most cases.

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  • I agree, there should be at least a filter for group rides. I think that most that disagree are those who ride mostly in groups.

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  • Being fairly new to Strava, I hadn't given much thought to the times others get in group rides (drafting) etc.

    But I busted my guts tonight on a sprint section to see what time I could come up with. Not very good and I was disappointed to just be number 91 out of 1,000 or so. Then when I looked at the top results, I saw many with the same time, or within a second or two on the same date. It's fairly obvious now that these were in a group ride.

    It isn't that important at the end of the day, but the reason I use strava and not just my own garmin records, is because it helps me to push myself and continue to improve (hopefully). But at the same time I don't want to give myself an impossible task because my work schedule means I ride solo quite a lot.

    So enabling a group ride feature would be very useful to at least show obvious group ride results separately.

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  • 1 - You could ask. It's not like I'm trying to keep it a secret.

    2 - Even though I've never raced (rather, probably because I've never raced), my position on Strava leaderboards plays a role in getting me to ride more often and try a little harder on my rides. That's kinda the point of the leaderboards.

    3 - Knowing that I'm competing against people who are benefiting from drafting takes away from that motivation that the leaderboards are supposed to engender.

    In conclusion: You're right. I've never raced. Lots of people in this discussion never have. And that has absolutely no bearing upon the legitimacy of the arguments for/against a "solo" leaderboard.

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  • YAH!  I always ride alone and would love to move up the ranking without having group assisted riders hogging all the good spots above me.  It just CRUSHES my ego everytime I log on to see I'm STILL in the bottom 10% on every climb in my region................  maybe I'm just slow but still.

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  • Well, I think the general consensus is that groups don't provide any advantage in climbs (unless your Cat-2 buddy is there yelling at you to suck it up and climb!). So, those people in *favor* of a solo-leaderboard are, essentially, arguing for them to be implemented for *flat* segments. Now "flat" could be something determined by Strava's computers (elevation-gain vs. total distance), or it could be done by rider consensus (a little like how we can flag segments as hazardous, we could also flag segments as, say, "draft-sensitive").

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  • I would like to have the option to sort my data using "solo" or "group". Today i was with friends on a road i normally train on alone . So now i have a bunch of new records set because i was much fresher having drafted in the group to get to where the segment started. So I would like to sort the data without those rides to more easily track my own training. 

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