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Let users specify whether moving time or elapsed time is relevant to that activity

When runs or rides are uploaded to Strava, time spent stationary or with very little movement is ignored when evaluating the whole average pace of the activity.  So for example, a run last night where I had to stop for 50s to tie some shoe laces ignores those 50s when calculating the average pace.

For running, I think this gives a misleading impression of pace.  I can run 5min/miles for a mile, providing I run for 15s, stop, run for 15s, stop, run for 15s, stop, etc etc etc.  And if I recorded such an activity on Strava, that's what the activity would show.  

I would like to suggest a toggle switch for an activity - "Elapsed time or moving time" - which can be specified on run by run basis so that if I want to see my pace based on total elapsed time, I can; and vice versa.

I strongly suspect that this would be a feature only desireable for runners.

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  • Tried to change Activity to Race on "My Activites" page. Didn´t work.

    I had to click each activity and change it there. Pace is changed to "Elapsed Time"

    But when i click the Button "View matched runs" (a superb function, like segments imo) everything shows in Moving time again.  Useless, useless, useless

    Why????????

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  • I heard from one of their devs on twitter that "if you pause the activity once, even just for a fraction of a second, it'll act like this. not a great solution, but it works right now!".  I took that to mean if you pause your watch even once, then your activity will get uploaded to strava as moving time, as opposed to the true elapsed time.

    I tried to verify that this morning but forgot and paused my watch prior to deleting and saving the activity, so I am not sure if this workaround actually works or not yet.  So I still had the normal discrepancy between moving and elapsed time.   

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  • Just got yest another reply from, Strava about this, saying the same thing: "There is nothing we can do about this."  Can you believe this?? There is literally no reason to use this company. Use any other product or company, but avoid Strava like the plague. They will never fix this as they don't want to fix this! Case closed.

     

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  • Big +1

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  • Thanks for boosting my ego. Turns out I'm not as fast as I thought. Been using strava for a few weeks, thought about upgrading, but I think I will try something that actually records my pace, not my fake pace.

    Bye

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  • Agreed.  I am a Deliveroo rider and I would like this to be an option for cycling too.  To do a four hour shift, only to have it shortened to two and a half (due to time spent in restaurants and waiting at lights) is irritating.

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  • I'd consider going premium if you could see true elapsed time instead of error prone moving time. 

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  • The problem is, that the other features (segments, apple watch 2 support,..) of strava are so unique, that I can find no alternative site/app. Everything is really good imo.

    But "moving time", especially for running makes me cracy (and some others). Everytime, when I´m reading a comment, I think about canceling my account (and I did several times).

    But the rest of strava is to good til now....

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  • First day using strava, and I found out that my 2h9m trail run had a 31m30s moving time... Well that's not very useful.

    I mean, I get that I have gaps in the data, because trees and mountains mess with GPS signal something fierce. My garmin program will sometimes show a 15-20 minute km followed by a 1s km in the splits, because I had no signal for over 1km... fine. At least the overall stats for the entire run are still there, even if the distance is somewhat reduced because it assumes I travelled in a perfectly straight line while I had no signal. That's a technological limitation that I can live with; it has to assume *something* and with no data it can't know what I did between the two recorded points other than move that distance somehow.

    I guess strava assumes I wasn't moving and I magically teleported an entire km over the course of the minutes that I had lost GPS signal? 

    Sure, if I change it to a race I can see the full 2+ hours. But then I can't distinguish actual races from training runs.

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  • Oh hey guys.

    Do you think there's a chance that the eggheads at Strava are actually not allowed to sort this problem, because allowing overall time (rather than moving time) would encourage cyclists to run red lights?

     

    Just a thought you guys.

     

     

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  • You cannot use race for other than the main page. Trying to compare runs against each other etc, Strava only consider moving time. Even if you mark them as race.

    I suggest using your old 1920s egg clock instead of using Strava. It far more accurate. Strava has no interest making their product usable.Why anyone would pay for it is a mystery. Such a simple ask. I run for 4 minutes, I want to see 4 minutes. How hard can it be?????

     

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  • Canceled my Premium Membership because of useless "Moving Time"

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  • I'm not a fan of the moving time for running because it gives a false sense of accomplishment. But even setting that aside, the feature is bugged because it often thinks I am stationary when I am moving, falsely reducing my time even more. We know that this should be a pretty easy fix, because the underlying data is already recorded and elapsed time is used if the run is tagged as a race, so why is this thread over two years old now with no resolution? I'm prepared to cancel my premium membership over this if Strava does not intend to fix it.

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  • Elapsed Time is data.

    Moving time is calculated by an objective algorithm from STRAVA.

    Only a buffoon would record an objective calculation rather than a fact, and it is completely misleading.

    Moving time may be useful to some, facts are useful to everyone. 

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  • 106 unhappy customers that actually took the time to complain. We all know that there are many more. Can Strava please listen to people and stop this moving time nonsense?

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  • I am completely on board for being able to choose EITHER moving or elapsed time. I regularly run/hike up a route that covers 1000 M vertical gain over 7 km. In other words, it is really steep. Strava chops 30 minutes off my time as I am scrambling over the rocks so slowly that it thinks I am stopped :) 

     

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  • As a beginner, I'm doing interval workouts where I run and then walk, and I have the same issue where it inflates my speed, making me feel like Usain Bolt :'). Quite annoying actually. Only way to correctly show the time on my activity in my profile is by setting the activity to 'Race' which is totally weird. Build a toggle guys! Thanks.

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  • Totally agree with this thread.  Elapsed time is the only way to go for activity type of "Run".  Has this been fixed?  Not as far as I can tell in the app.  This having been an issue for about 2 years seems like a long time to make a fairly simple enhancement.

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  • wow 2 years of complaining and strava still hasn't addressed their customers on why they are not doing this. I'll throw my hat in and say, false sense of accomplishment!

     

     

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  • will maybe come back to premium, if this Moving time bug is changed to elapsed time.

    incredible......

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  • So Ellie, in August 2016, you said this fix was in the Development stream for considerations. With the large number of your customers frustrated and supportive of this fix, I would suggest your prioritisation methodology is not up to scratch. It could be that your IT department is very very very very very slow?

     

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  • I'd also like to be able to choose, as a runner I can't see any benefit to showing just 'moving time'. Other services like Endomondo or Garmin don't feel as polished or as social as Strava, but I'll likely go back to them if you can't fix this. The core feature here should be to accurately record activity - everything else is icing on the cake.

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  • Another hilarious example of moving time failing to capture the reality of the situation was mountaineering, where you often travel very slowly (but at a constant pace) the whole time. According to Strava, I climbed to the top of a 7 hour climb in 26 minutes with a pace of 4:51 per mile xD

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  • Strava moving time is especially wrong in activities that involve a lot of vertical movement on steep slopes. Not only speed drops significantly on vertical terrain but also GPS measures the horizontal projection of your movement. That means that if you go up or down a 30 degree slope GPS reflects only 86% of your actual speed and distance. And if you do mountaineering on a 45 degree slope - that would be only 70%. So that makes it is even easier to hit the Strava's arbitrary non-moving threshold.

    This is a problem in trail running in mountains, and even bigger problem in hiking and mountaineering. Moving time algorithm shouldn't apply to these types of activities, and the focus should be on the elapsed time and distance rather than the moving pace.

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  • Hello, I wrote a script that I hope fix the issue. You can download it on this webpage: https://github.com/cgoillot/GPX_Correct

    I had good results on my Runtastic recordings.

    Hoping that it will be helpfull, please don't hesitate to provide feedback.

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  • Ran with a friend today who didn't use Strava. Couldn't work out why I was 30s/mile faster than he was when we ran together! Turns out Strava decided to randomly remove minutes from the run time. I mean - what the actual fuck???! You can't use the actual time it took for the run? Been using Strava for nearly a year. Turns out I'm 30s/mile slower than I thought I was. Pretty demotivating. Fuck you people at Strava.

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  • Strava answered my letter, with the link to this forum as they will be probably add a button in the near future to run activities, in order to be able to choose between moving time and real time. At this moment, using all activities as RACE, would be one possibility, but is not ideal. 

    As sträva started as a cycling platform it is normal to see only moving time to avoid long red lamp / coffee stop breaks showing up as training time. Having a 1 hour rest during a 10hour ride is not training time ! True !!!

    However running is a lot slower activity so the GPS is a lot less sensitive. Also while doing a refuelling near a stream   while trail running or walking around waiting the 1minute rest during track intervals would change the pace of the whole run if it was not measured as moving time. The tempo run paces are all incorrect and if I wanted to reevaluate a future training session, really going after my or other person's splits, I would have to look for another platform, like Garmin connect or stunt moves count. 

    Also as current GPSes are still really basic, when hiking / scrambling uphill with 0.8km/h on technical terrain, strava would recognise this as non-moving time, while I am having a 185bpm heart rate. Non-moving time aiiii ?

    So, yes I definitely would be happy to see 100% elapsed time and all splits, lap times, auto lap times, based on elapsed time / total time and not moving time. At least for running. 

    Cycling can stay as it was. 

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  • Strava is basically useless as a training tool for runners without this feature. I started using it with my Apple Watch. I like the social features and stats, but I'll be cancelling my subscription and returning to the Apple Fitness app.

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  • It's time for Strava to fix this issue.  Unfortunately most runners have to deal with stop lights, traffic and other things that force you to stop for seconds or minutes.

     

     

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  • As an idea, the moving time feature is good, but the fact that it doesn't seem to function properly most of the time maybe means the function itself should be put on hold. I recently went for a run on mountainous terrain, elapsed time was 1:17, moving time was 1:11, and I had only stopped for 20 seconds at a summit to take on some water. Moving time is an inefficient function and in my opinion takes away from the Strava experience.

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