Fitness and Freshness graph for Run activities

I, as most use Strava for running and cycling.  I don't know the actual calculation, but the tool Training Peaks allows you to map your TSS, IF and training stress balance for running.  This would be a great feature to add in to help with training for events.



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  • I second Dave's info for Training Peaks. My membership expires in June and I will not be renewing. I will be joining Training Peaks. I have already transferred my last 6 months of data. Unfortunately, that isn't easy. One has to do it one activity at a time as only GPS data gets transferred with Strava's export tool. Linking Training Peaks with Garmin Connect means all future activities load automatically.

  • I've also cancelled my renewal and I'll probably swap to training peaks. In the meantime you can either check maths and write your own performance management chart or just download one here

    I'm getting the ride/run TSS from TP free version and just entering it manually. It's also a really handy planning tool. I've added swim TSS calculations and ramp rate to mine :)

  • Elle,




    I'm not sure why you want us to make more posts to this thread as its clear that you have no intention of implementing the feature.

    For those that have not yet moved TrainingPeaks provides this functionality (and a whole lot more).  As a runner you are better off just using the free Strava version and paying for TrainingPeaks.  I struggle to see what value a Premium account offers runners but maybe I'm missing something.  Elle?

  • Adding run data to Fitness&Freshness is in the planning stages. I will be sure to keep the thread informed with any new updates as planning progresses.

  • Wow finally, I don't know how many customers you will get back, but at least good news for those who stayed.

    To me the biggest issue wasn't the feature itself but the attitude towards paying customers.


  • I'm moving my subscription to two years of Strava premium and got tired of waiting for this and other non-cycling features

  • I'll leave another vote to please implement running into this feature.

  • please implement this feature, as it really makes a joke of using it when I go for a run and have a suffer score of 201 and fatigue decreases, i either have to stop using strava to gauge or stop running and guess which one I wont be doing


  • Elle, FYI, I won't be going premium until this feature is added.

  • So late, after two years waiting... already changed to

  • That's great to hear Elle.  Do you have an ETA on the release to production?  I'll hold-off on my planned Training Peaks subscription if its going to be soon.

  • Better late than never - I look forward this feature release!

  • Yes, Jon, it's a bug that we're working on. Thanks, and hopefully resolved soon. 

  • Great to finally see it in the pipeline. Far too long a wait for such an important feature (I imagine the team was working on Apple IOS or something instead), ugh.

    Request: can this please be retrospective? So when you look at "all-time" for cycling and you gauge it as you do now; with the addition of running etc... it should include that in the calculations.

  • Hi Ellie, 


    Before you assign valuable resource into looking at Justin's issue please can you let us know when Fitness and Freshness will be available to runners (which as you know is the purpose of this thread!).


    many thanks.

  • I have just joined premium purely to use the fitness / fatigue chart across running, cycling and swimming as I've just started training for triathlons. Feel very cheated the write up on what you get with premium doesn't state this up front. I've cancelled my premium account and will use training peaks instead. 

  • Agree with Kieran, F&F chart is completely useless if a change in FTP is entered as that change is applied to the entire history of the athlete, whereas it should only be applied to future activities.

  • Any updates?

  • Great to see running added to the F&F graph, but.... how is the running score calculated? It seems it is based on suffer scores which are based on HR zones. I use HR zones for both bike and run, but my training zones are different (I don't have a PM). I customised the zones for the bike (lower HR), but this results in my run suffer score being inaccurate. As an example, a 30min easy run had a suffer score nearly twice as big as a 1 hour interval bike session. The result.... the F&F graph is giving me false information. 
    Is there a way to have separate running and bike HR zones customised (like Garmin and others do)? Or can the run suffer scores be calculated by Pace Zones? Thanks

  • @Brenton, I started a support ticket for you so that someone from our team can follow up. 

  • See for example section 4.

  • My comment above to was to Elle Anderson's explanation 4/6/2016

  • Is it possible to introduce this feature separate schedule that runners use it self-sufficient?

  • Same here, cancelling premium when it expires in a few days

  • Have signed up for a free TrainingPeaks account and manually exported / imported all my recent rides to Garmin Connect and there to TP - seemed to work well. Upload to both via Garmin connect and will see whether there remains any value in continuing premium membership.

  • Hooray! I'm a cyclist first so premium has value for me, but this is the missing piece in a comprehensive view of my training load. Looking forward to it.

  • Hey what about swimming? That was my concern and comment, Garmin make reliable HR monitors for swimming so.... what are you waiting for. Do both Running and Swimming at the same time. You guys must be rolling in cash, you need to invest and stay ahead, or catch up smart ish!

  • Hi,

    I am training for my first Triathlon and since having got my first Garmin was hoping for a fitness freshness curve finally. But nothing, as I haven't had chance to get out on my bike yet. I assume if the running is not being taken into account then the data is useless, as if I have run for 3 days, but not been out on my bike, the graph would show me in good form for a race but I might be v fatigued from lots of running. It would also be important for me to have some way of manually adding in heart rate data for a swim as I have a heart rate monitor that will work in the pool, but it is not compatible with strava, my garmin doesn't work in the pool unfortunately. But for triatheletes, you really want to be able to include all forms of training in a fitness/ freshness curve otherwise what is the point.

  • Hi J N

    I have been following this post for some time and am also into triathlon. After much research and debate in my own mind as well as reading various reviews, I have signed up to Training Peaks premium, which is far superior to Strava as well as anything else in terms of the useful analysis that you can do. Lots of the earlier messages on this post will tend to confirm this view.



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