Segment Leaderboards

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  • Mojo Monkey

    Apparently these features already exist, and yet the most obvious activities don't get automatically flagged. Had one just the other day, they'd spent most of the time in a car, going 130km/h. How that is too difficult for an algorithm to detect I am not sure.

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  • John Moreci 🇺🇸 - Unfortunately, it would be almost impossible to get accurate information to determine whether an effort was a true solo effort or a group effort.  Consider a race where the leader hammers up a hill to try to separate the pack.  They did not get any drafting help through that section since they were leading the whole way, yet would likely only be a second or two ahead of others in their "group" and thus their time would be filtered out in your scenario.  Even on group rides, it is common for people to push a segment on their own, only being a few seconds apart from the rest of their group, yet it was a true solo effort that gained them the KOM, but again it would be filtered out with your scenario.  Heck, I have done rides myself where I barely saw anyone the entire ride, yet I was listed according to Strava as having "ridden with" a number of others just because I happened to follow a similar path for a portion of the ride (Strava's ability to detect a group ride sucks).  I get what you are saying and agree that groups who do use drafting to help with segment times do fill up leaderboards, but it just isn't going to get you an accurate data set if you try to filter out what Strava thinks is a group ride.  You will get ride of the groups, but also likely a bunch of legitimate solo efforts as well.  

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  • Jason Lamoreaux: I get what you are saying that some true solo efforts could be filtered out when the times were close. But how about filtering out riders with identical times on the same day? In the scenario below the lead rider would retain the CR.  It's not perfect but it would be a start. Another filter that has been suggested is to display only riders with 2 or more efforts. Do you think this could help make the Leaderboards more representative of our local riders?

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  • Jason Lamoreaux - I’m not asking to change the KOM leaderboard, just simply allow for a filter, imperfect as it may be.  The KOM leaderboards are imperfect as they exist in any event.  I can’t comment on the universe of segments but it is fairly easy to see group versus solo efforts when looking at the segments i am familiar.  Even if someone does hammer up a hill, if they are in a group ride they have benefited versus a solo rider - unless they are pulling the entire ride.  I have never been identified as riding with others even on common segments but even so I am not suggesting that be used as a filtering criteria - just times set on the same day within very close proximity.

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  • We have to realise that there is no perfect solution. It would be great if you could identify people gaining an advantage through drafting, etc. but this just isn't possible.

    I still think a good answer is to have a separate leaderboard that only shows riders who have made repeated fast times on segments. (e.g. your bronze PR)

    Nearly all of the problems we encounter on leaderboards are based on fairly unusual circumstances. These large bunch groups, that day with the freak wind conditions, that GPS glitch, drafting behind a bus, that time someone forget to set their activity to eBike.

    Now obviously this isn't foolproof, you might find some groups making repeated efforts on the same segments, it would much reduce the problem. The example given doesn't appear to have been repeated, despite being 4 years ago.

    But the real beauty is that this guards against all kinds of freak events. Also it's so much more of an achievement if you can get a top time in a repeatable fashion rather than through some form of good fortune.

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  • I think filtering out segment times that are set on the same date, within a few minutes of each other, and with exact or close times should catch the vast amount of group rides.  Do this in parallel with only including riders with multiple attempts as proposed.  People don't have to select the filter if they don't want and the overall KOMs are maintained.  If someone doesn't like their time filtered out under the definition, they can use it as motivation to set a time that qualifies.  If there is fear of backlash then give me the ability, as a paying subscriber, to create my own custom private views of segment leaderboards.  That way, nobody's feelings will be hurt.   

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  • It seems that Strava has tried since a month to implement a new feature to automatically exclude "impossible efforts".

    The idea not too bad, but the result is very poor: all the DH segments around my house (DH from passes, over 50km/h average) are automatically exluded... Like this one: https://www.strava.com/segments/23898570

    (note that the segment is not flagged as dangerous, just "excluded efforts")

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  • Alex Dimitriou

    Well this seems promising, although obviously it would make sense that any effort slower than the current KOM must at least be possible.

    Surely this can be calibrated against existing effort data rather than just looking at raw speed? Even it just took average gradient into account that might help.

    What does the "more info" link provide? How do you contest such excluded segments?

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  • I'm still kinda hopeful they can make this work. It wouldn't take a lot of tweeking to make sure that only really impossible efforts are excluded. Doing it on raw speed is clearly not a good option.

    I mean if you are trying really hard you can do those speeds on the flat! (e.g. https://www.strava.com/segments/19103504)

    I wonder how widely this has been rolled out, I'm still seeing "rides" at 130km/h that aren't excluded.

    Alex Dimitriou have you tried raising a ticket? I would hope that they just mean there is no way within the UI to contest the segment.

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  • @Tapio Kanko It's already the case if you create a Garmin mode "ebike" on your device, and you connect your Garmin to your engine. It's uploaded directly to your Strava activites as an Ebike ride.

    My proposal to avoid the "lazy" people is just to kick them out of Strava if they have been flagged as Ebike activities more than X times. I'm sure people will become much less lazy, and if not, the one who will be kicked out won't miss too much to the Strava community.

     

     

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  • I would like to be able to see a leaderboard on a segment in Zwift for Followers instead of the overall leaderboard. The overall leaderboard is of no importance to me -- I have no chance of being near the top, and there are so many people it's not possible for me to see the ones I care about, which are the people I ride with.

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  • Still Ebike issues!

    You are losing a lot of your mountain bike users, because of the failure to stop ebikers uploading their rides into normal leaderboards. I will be cancelling my subscription because, like for many other competitive cyclists, the ability to compare your times to other local racers is one of the main reasons to use Strava. Ebike rides continue to take up spots in leaderboards making it impossible to use this as a training tool. 

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  • I would love to be able to search for Inline Skating segments. Right now I have to go out and skate and find out after the fact if I’ve discovered one on my route. I plan on making segments in my city as well, and it would be nice if other locals could search for them as well to help motivate our community.

    Thank you.

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  • I just read that there is already a similar request, please split nordic skiing in skating and classic, I'm so poor in Nordic skiing that I will never make a kom😀 but it will motivates me to compare with people using the same technique. Starting from the actual situation will not be an issue because we can assume all the best times are "nordic skating", you can simply add a "nordic classic" new sport and if possible share the segments.

    Thanks

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  • Hello Bengt Lowander please note that virtual activity data can be adversely affected by the rider’s defined weight, as well as other factors within the virtual space that lie out of our control. Please submit a support ticket if you have any other specific questions

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  • Please create a separate sport profiles for Classic Nordic Skiing and Freestyle/Skate Nordic Skiing. They’re currently together and these are arguably less similar than road biking and mountain biking. Skate is significantly faster. Thanks!

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  • @Richard Walker

    I support this only if it's a filter that can be viewed electively.

    I want to know the KOMs of all time; records yearly aren't of much interest.

    It's not like society throws out the Guinness book of world records each year and starts fresh.

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  • Diego Coenga  gold star, it should be easy to implement.  Strava please do!

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  • William O.

    I accept this as an add on to "permanent" KOM's.

    Alpe d' Huez doesn't change, nor does the Galibier, nor Ventoux.

    I want to know who is or was the fastest.  If I can also see who is recent, sure, just don't erase or remove the all time data.  Maybe it's been a few years since one visited an area - such as during covid - so do their records need to be erased just because of a gap of recency?

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  • Let's get a category for ice yachting. It's big in Wisconsin.

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  • Mike Nottingham

    gold star.

     

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  • Carlos Vigo this is due to the person who made the segment, since they doubled back past the start point, the segment averages there time over the whole length of the segment even though almost half of it was never done by riders getting the segment, effectively doubling their average speed. It's an error on the part of the segment maker rather than Strava. If you look at the riders GPS etc, their actual speeds were closer to 50kmph

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  • How about asking the USER to confirm a new KOM?

    Many people get a KOM because they forget to turn off their GPS at the end of a ride.  They are probably unaware that they are KOM.  If we could have Strava simply show them the KOM, and ask if this was real, (and for biking, ask if it was an e-bike), many of the false KOM's would go away.

    Of course, that would mean that Strava would need to add the ability to "Remove a Ranking" from a segment.  (today, the only way to remove a segment is to delete the whole activity).

    Thoughts?

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  • I understand that strava segments are a good way to motivate and train.
    In the case of the segments for BTT, these usually suffer a degradation over time, especially the more pronounced the unevenness is, I think it would be a good idea to add a category of the current king style, which reflects the best times of the last 6 approximately months, I know that in the paid version you can see those of the year, it is one more piece of information, although it seems more correct to me that it was from the last 12 months since the first months of the year hardly provide information for most segments which are not done often.
    I know I'm not a subscribed user, but I'm making this comment suggested by a colleague who is.
    Since I'm here, I'll take the opportunity to suggest launching another type of cheaper subscription and with less information for those of us who are happy to be amateurs, even an economic subscription that only offered statistics haha.
    All the best,
    David

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  • Hi Skye Manu thanks for surfacing this, we understand the importance of these leaderboard options. We've deployed a fix for this issue and the filtered leaderboards are back up and running.

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  • What is the point in subscribing to the Leaderboards when it is obviously that the list is full of fake results????

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  • I'd like to see a separate category created for time trial bikes.  It seems near impossible to compete with them on a road bike and, in these parts, they pretty much hold all the top spots on leaderboards, including KOM's/QOM's.  

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  • Ian Barton

    Frankly until Strava get a bit stricter on GPS data, shorter segments are totally meaningless. You can gain 9s on each end of a segment currently. In 2022 this kind of tolerance is ridiculous. Reliable GPS data is easily obtainable for all athletes. Strava should update policies first and then revert back to 300m.

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  • Segment leaderboard for RUNNING on STRAVA are totally useless.
    Strava has to find a way to detect people that record a bike ride as running. Or even a scooter or other vehicle ride. I live in a very tourist city, Rio de Janeiro, here the running segments are all full of bike rides and electric scooter rides. And dont think it would be hard to Strava to detect it automatically. For example, comparing the pace with previous running pace of the same athlete... or even comparing the heart rate of the activity to see if it is reasonable. Nobody runs at 2min per km with 120bpm.
    I try to report the activities that clearly are wrongly registered, but STRAVA blocks me after some few reports, as if I was doing something wrong. 
    Strava Segment Leaderboard are what keeps us using the platform, Strava MUST open its eyes on it.

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  • continuing, I think Strava is loosing its main attraction to me. As I love to see the running leaderboard on the segments I Strava does nothing to identify people riding bikes or vehicles and registering as running. An worse, Strava blocks me for reporting too much activities! 

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