Designate between a "Group" and a "Solo" ride on Strava

This would allow Strava cyclists to tag a ride as a group ride or a solo ride, and also be able to sort segment leaderboards by those filters.

 

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  • It's a shame this feature hasn't been implemented... I'm sure that most people who do group rides would say something along the lines of "I wasn't even taking any notice of the Strava segments, I was competing against my fellow riders on the day"... which makes it even more annoying that they have accidentally taken away some of the fun us solo-riders have trying to beat other solo rider's times.... As more and more group rides take place I can see this problem being a reason I don't bother with Strava any more (I'm currently a Premium member of Strava)...  Of course, it won't be fool-proof as anyone could ride with a "stealth" (non Strava-User), which I guess is the reason why it hasn't been addressed?

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  • this thing will be 5 years old next year. Let's prepare for the proper celebration of unresolved user request!

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  • As someone who rides a lot in a variety of different condition, but will never care about achieving KOM's (unless it is in the combined older heavier 55-64 age group, 180-200 lb category, and even that is a long shot unless I pick a really obscure segment where the whole leaderboard consists of just me).

    So many factors affect KOM's in addition to the inherent fitness of the athlete: self reporting, weather and wind, where a segment falls in a ride, group size, equipment. It seems hard to take them too seriously given all that variability.

    Segment performance data can be interesting and valuable if you know its provenance. Certainly one's own rides and efforts fall squarely into that category.

    So better attribution supporting better selection, filtering, and analysis of my own data over time is what I'm looking for.

    For instance I like the color coding in the training log based on ride type.

    As I'm sure many do, I consistently use certain keywords in the activity title as a poor man's classification scheme: group rides start with LH (for the club I ride with), "solo", "family" for leisurely rides with the kids, default titles "morning ride" and "evening ride" cover my commutes, for organized events and races I use their names.

    What would be of value to me is

    • a few more pre defined ride attributes, logically organized, such as this request, "group", "solo"
    • self-defined categories/tags in addition to the pre-defined attributes
    • ability to filter segment results by multiple criteria simultaneously
    • ability to filter segment results by more criteria than are currently provided

     

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  • Agree with this - very old - idea. And well, the group / solo filtering option on segment leaderboards should be pretty straightforward to implement:

    1. If a user has ridden with others - which Strava detects - an effort is marked as a group-effort.

    2. If not, but the system used to link rides of calculate the rate of match in the flyby-option can be used to check if an effort was set together with others. If yes -> mark.

    3. If 2 is too difficult, check if an effort on a segment roughly matches another effort (say, like, 98% or so) that started at roughly the same time (give or take a second).

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  • YES, we need this so badly... if I see the all time records of a segment for my group members I cannot distinct between a solo ride or a group ride ;-(

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  • Kevin, only thing I can think of is naming convention: I always include "SOLO" in the title of a trip I did alone.. but how to distinct in stats en segement best times etc... I don't know... Tell me?

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  • Great feature

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  • @petertoes, including "SOLO" is a decent convention, but still it would be trivial and way more helpful for a single checkbox or a few radio buttons to differentiate group vs solo rides. That way you could compare apples to apples. It just to be seems like a no brainer for the Strava folks to implement, and would literally take 5 minutes. Here, I'll halp, gratis

    Add this to the app/webpage

    <div class="solo-group">
    <label for="solo">Solo Ride</label>
      <input type="radio" name="solo" id="solo" value="solo"><br/>
      <label for="group">Group Ride</label>
      <input type="radio" name="group" id="group" value="group"><br/>
    </div>

    Then add to the dao/db object

    {
    "solo_group": "<input value>"
    }

    And boom goes the dynamite. I'm a wizard.

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  • Amen Larissa P - you nailed it exactly.

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  • Totally agree with Larissa.

    Someone pointed me to this ride in my area: https://www.strava.com/activities/1046177320 . I really don't mind that people are riding these loops in a group, even calling it 'KOM Hunt' is no problem. But: imagine someone riding solo, working hard to get a certain KOM, then a group like this comes along and boom: you're no. 5. Or, when you look in to it, 9th, which is the position of the current fastests solo rider. 

    I use Strava for some TT-training and comparing to other solo rides helps this, comparing with groups is useless and getting better and faster means that comparing in the default ride-view doesn't work anymore; many of the other riders are group-efforts. I really don't need a KOM or a top 10 position, I want to compare with other solo riders.

    So Strava, just make it a simple option: add 'group ride' as a tickbox. Or another very simple solution: add the choice 'group ride' to the list of ride-types.

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  • well...this thread was started at least 5 years ago.  Doesn't appear that anything is going to happen.  F###ing b###ards.

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  • I agree that group rides with KOMs/QOMs should be categorised as Group KOM/QOM or should at least not be taken from someone who has achieved it solo (although it's not actually possible to verify this if the people they're riding with don't have a tracking device).

    BUT! I think something has changed.  I am not getting notifications generally (although I did for a sportive) of group ride QOMs being taken on the whole, although I occasionally. Maybe Strava have begun work in the background or maybe they just don't want to alienate a whole load of users who really care about trophies and will do whatever they can to get them...

    All of this said, it feels really good if you can get a crown back solo from someone who got it on a group ride - makes you work harder and become a better cyclist!

     

     

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  • Maybe they've started but want something smart to cover the cases in which an effort looks like a solo effort, but isn't? Anyhow, a short update "we're working on it" would be nice :-)

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  • It would be great to be able to sort between solo and group but overall between "race" and "training". Indeed, it is almost impossible to ride as fast as a bunch during a race and consequently, you can find yourself very very far in the ranking in case a race took your road...

    I suggest a general classification and adding some new filters options on the left side pannel such as race, group, solo.

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  • Graeme - that is exactly my point. I want to easily identify which of my OWN efforts were done solo or with the benefit of a draft. Both require effort, but one gives deeper satisfaction!

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  • so... for one of the most chatted topics... it's interesting to see that it is still not available.

     

    I would like to do my laps of richmond park... but then separate between solo and team rides... solo is a boat load harder and something I really struggle to improve.  But this means that if I do a ride with a mate, I'll smash the solo effort and then never be able to incrementally improve it.

     

    I appreciate there will always be dishonest people who will get their PB's by drafting a moped/motorbike, but candidly, that's their loss, not mine as I'm never going to be that good that I'll be competing against them.

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  • Separate solo and group ride segment-logging and leaderboards needs doing. Rather than being a manual tick (open to abuse) it could be assigned as a group ride based on how many people you rode with and how long for - Strava already has that data.

    Currently there's essentially no point in me looking at my times when I've been out on my own because I'm never have going to have come close to times on segments I've ridden with a group.

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  • Strava it’s Time to do this - now!

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  • Just want to add one more voice to the request. A KOM in a group is meaningless and discouraging to those who get it on their own.

    It is a MAJOR flaw in the whole ranking scheme for cycling. Eventually they all become irrelevant in areas with lots of riders.

    Personally I don't think it needs to be overly complicated. A distinction between group/individual would be interesting but unnecessary. Who cares who was hanging on at the back when someone drove the group over the line?

    Limit KOMs to those riding alone, period. That is the point right? It promotes healthy competition rather than discouraged abandonment of certain segments.

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  • When the notification popped in my computer screen and I saw the title... for one GLORIOUS moment I excitedly clicked on it and thought "here is the final answer that makes strava brilliant".    Then I just saw that it was a continuation on the thread.

     

    I have ACTIVELY said no to friends to join me on certain favoured rides, (for example Richmond Park London), because I know that all it takes is a couple of cars to force us into single file and next thing we're drafting.  If I smash a few segments together, then I'll never be able to beat myself again SOLO.

    I'm not saying DRAFTING rides are cheating, but if I beat someone, I want to know that I did it because it was clean, not because I was in a group.  Likewise if someone beats me and I find out they've been cheating, then it spoils Strava.

    :-(.... 

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  • More elaborate: ticking a box group or solo, and when in group link it to a club.  That way all rides, ridden in a club, can be grouped and used for statistics and totals.  That way, for instance, you can see which team member joined the most trainings of the club, etc.

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  • I think this is a great idea. There's s few segments I've ridden which I know I'll never get KOM as they're won during a group ride. I could try getting my wife to drive in front of me and draft her though.... hmmmmm

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  • Count me as a vote against

    a) it relies on self-reporting so it's useless anyway for any purposes of filtering or comparing against others.

    b) it can't take into account mixed rides where some efforts are solo and some are group
    c) it really just doesn't matter why someone else was faster than you
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  • Good idea!

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  • Great idea - just had a 2.2 UCI ranked race go over some of my local climbs. There's no touching those leaderboards ever again...

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  • Lots of group rides will race up hills and stuff though rather than go together, then it' more like a solo effort? And if you draught behind a bus that's also "cheating" should we mark that as well?

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  • The system definitely has to rely on integrity from each individual user. It's pathetic think that anyone would get a feeling of pride or accomplishment by being dishonest and drafting behind a bus or riding in a car to get a KOM, but I'm sure they're out there.

    Riding in a group can result in a faster time than an absolutely solo effort, fact, so there needs to be a separation, Group or Solo. 

    Using your example of the group reaching a hill then racing up, I know that my legs are much fresher when I reach a hill after having drafted on the approach, so my solo sprint time will be faster.

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  • @ Joe...

    • Flat ground segments are silly anyway
    • Someone can be in a group where the other people aren't on strava and then what do you do?
    • Strava can mis-identify you as being on a segment with them if you pass them on the segment
    • You can be with other people but pulling the whole time
    • You can be on a ride with other people, but not with them on the segment
    • Fastest over a segment is faster over a segment. quit whining.

    @ Matt
    • A lot of people don't care about their KOMs. Do you think Ted King cares when he takes a segment from someone? Should we eliminate all people faster than us so that it's fair?
    • Of course riding in a group can result in a faster time but who cares? It does not follow that there NEEDS to be a separation.
    • Using your example of your hills being less fresh after riding to a hill, what about the people who drive to the hill? Should they be eliminated on fairness grounds?
    • Fastest over a segment is faster over a segment. quit whining.
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  • Your legs will be even more fresh if you drove your car to the start of the segment.

    I do see the argument though. Personally I'd like the tag along with "windy" and "wet" really just for my own notes but if I cared that much, I'd put it in a comment or the description of each ride or something.

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  • Why is this even a discussion? Steve said it best with this comment

    "c) it really just doesn't matter why someone else was faster than you"

    If someone in a group takes your KOM, then ride in a group and take it back. It's about creating a fun competitive atmosphere, not being posessive and whining that someone else rode their bike faster than you, regardless of why. A win is a win and a loss is a loss, regardless of why it happened.

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