Should Virtual Ride Data Count Towards Cycling Stats?

Virtual Rides should count towards weekly cycling times and distances.  If anything the time spent in our garages should count double ;-)

 

It would also be great if virtual rides showed up visually as part of the cycling 'circles' in the Training log, not as an '+XT' at the bottom.  

 

These changes would help keep better track of how much we're training and how many days we're on the bike, regardless of format.

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    The solution proposed below to separate cycling stats into buckets for cycling distance/time/elevation and virtual ride distance/time/elevation is a good one - Thanks for adding that. 

    Internally, we're trying to get a sense of how folks feel on this topic, so please continue to pass along your feedback. How do you feel virtual data should count in your profile stats? Especially in regard to counting virtual elevation gain in with total elevation gain metrics? 

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  • Can we get a response from Strava on why this does not occur especially if we are using an app like ZWIFT?

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  • I'd like to see this as well and agree with Maurice, it would be great to know more on this topic if there is a reason to not include virtual rides towards rides averages, badges and so on (even if badges had two categories - real life / virtual) 'trophy rooms'. I'd still be interested in the real life versions of the virtual swag if existed. Though may be the minority on that one? Dunno?

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  • It looks like the original items I requested have been implemented, thanks Strava :)  

    Good point Curt.  I'm not sure how virtual rides will effect trophies, etc.  

    Perhaps they could work with Zwift on this one as Zwift has created their own challenges to complete within their app.  The status of these challenges could then be pulled over to Strava rider profiles so they're all in one place for simplicity sake.  

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  • It's really unfair that it doesn't consider virtual rides as counting towards your total training time. I agree it's not real segments or elevation etc but it really should allow the hours to be logged as cycling

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  • It appears that some progress has been made, however the following changes would be much appreciated:

    Within the "This Week's Leaderboard" for groups, Virtual Rides are added into the "Run Time" category, rather than the "Ride Time" category.

    Within the "Your Recent Activities", virtual rides are displayed with a "dot", instead of a "bicycle".

     

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  • agree with comments above. Cycling on zwift should be included in total kilometers travelled and elevation gained.  Need it to keep my training log accurate for effort put in

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  • The issue I'm running in to is the Zwift Elevation and Distance are not REAL. The only thing that is real is POWER. I would hate to compare my Strava stats to somebody else, and see they've climbed 12,000 feet this month, and I've climbed 24,000 feet -- but know that most of that was "virtual climbs" on Zwift... makes me feel like a cheater.

    Power output is a quantifiable distance. Elevation from Zwift is a made up number based on a pretend course.

    How about this, Strava, break up the elevation (and mileage stats):

    Real Elevation 2016: XX,XXX feet
    Virtual Elevation 2016: XX,XXX feet

    And likewise:

    Real Distance 2016: X,XXX miles
    Trainer Distance 2016: X,XXX miles

    Without this distinction, the stats on Strava become meaningless... Especially when comparing yourself to others.

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  • I'd be fine with the suggestions that Big LBellski had. Only speaking for myself, I'd actually prefer they were broken up as suggested. Although I would like to see [Grand Total] as well as [Time].

    Elevation [Year]: XX,XXX feet (m)
    Virtual Elevation [Year]: XX,XXX feet (m)
      Combined Elevation Total [Year]: XX.XXX feet (m)

    Distance [Year]: X,XXX miles (km)
    Virtual Distance [Year]: X,XXX miles (km)
      Combined Distance Total [Year]: X,XXX miles (km)

    Total Time [Year]: XX:XX:XX (days, hours, minutes)
    Virtual Time [Year]: XX:XX:XX (days, hours, minutes)
      Combined Time Total [Year]: XX:XX:XX (days, hours, minutes)

     

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  • I really would like to have virtual rides added to my stats.

    I think there's a distinction as well to make between virtual stats. There are those that are made with a dumb trainer and those made with a smart trainer. 

    With smart trainers, it's pretty real from my point of view for the elevation gain even if it's virtual. One could argue that we can play with the resistance feel in Zwift (default is 50%) but that only make the incline a bit less, but the elevation is there none the less.

    I've been trying the new Zwift mountain road on my Tacx Neo and would really like to have the elevation show up in my All-time stats as it's larger than any route I can have in real life around here.

    As for the distance, well it's distance with smart or dumb trainers. I don't see why we would need to differentiate it. The speed wouldn't really count as that depends on the actual resistance, but speed is not compiled in the stats.

    Would adding a user option in Strava to "Include my virtual rides to my stats" be a good option to satisfy both camps? It's up to the rider to be honest with himself/herself.

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  • A lot of people in my Strava cycling club ride Zwift, and those miles don't count?  This is bad.  We have a leaderboard and the results not including Zwift messes us up!  Please fix.

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  • I'm paying money to use this service, but my efforts on Zwift with a smart trainer don't count? I just suffered through a long ride and the Strava team seems to think it counts for nothing. I don't really need to pay someone to treat me that way. Guess it is time to say good bye to my premium account. Your point about the elevation stats make me laugh out loud when I see every month bogus leaders at the top of the standings. I don't even care about being on the top, I just want to record my honest effort. Come climb with me on Zwift and then tell me it isn't climbing!

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  • I disagree that Strava dictate how and on what equipment my cycling activities are considered in relation to Strava challenges.  Using a smart trainer and Zwift I punish myself way harder than what I do on the road. It's disappointing that the effort I put in, which is significant, is not considered worthy of inclusion.

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  • I ride on the actual Richmond World 2015 course daily. It's maddening to have all this junk data appear from virtual riders not dealing with dodging cars and staying alive. Please stop the madness and shunt these people off to their separate virtual world.

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  • I agree a toggle for groups would be nice to have, some groups wouldn't want to count the virtual rides, though others might, especially if there were to be virtual ride groups forming.

    Personally I ride on Zwift a lot and really like having those miles and elevation count.  It would be nice if it counted in the challenges too, but I'm okay with it not.

    What I would like in the ability to tag my virtual rides, which seems only possible from the phone app.  The main objective on virtual rides is doing workouts, my virtual rides should be able to be tagged as workouts.  Recently I've started getting into Zwift Racing and would love to tag my rides as Races also and have the races show up on the year overview side of the screen too.  Perhaps have some indicator that it was a virtual race instead of a real race, but I'd be fine with it just showing up as a race.

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  • In the cold winter months its getting more important to distinguish between real and virtual rides. Each mile spent outside in the cold, fighting the wind, in the dark while navigating the real world streets is certainly not equaled by a mile spent on a trainer. The psychological factors are worth noting. In the real world every mile you head out, is another mile you have to head back. This requires you to plan, commit, and push through a hard ride. While inside on a trainer, non of that is at play. You can ride till you feel you are done and just hop off. I'm in favor of the 2 bucket approach. 

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  • I still disagree and it should be a choice.  I live in Texas and our winter riding is even nicer than our summer riding, so seasons don't matter for everybody.  And you can't coast on a trainer like you can in the real world.  If trainer rides were easier, they wouldn't make you a stronger cyclist than if you just rode on the road.

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  • My Zwift setup is killer tough.  Zwift miles for me are a lot harder than road miles, I'm looking at a new trainer, not to cheat-'up' my #'s; just seeking a valid config that I can continue to log miles and climb.   

    Granted, I see comments where people say their Zwift speeds are better than their road speeds, but how about spin classes?  You going to have people not log spin "miles"?  Or treadmill miles for running?

    The reality is that there is no way to validate the quality of data that is being feed into Strava, Zwift or any site.  I saw a ride logged today 90+ miles in <2hr,  maybe they were on rollers? Genetically engineered?

    For me, it's all about providing incentive to train, that should be the 'Prime Directive'.  IF you want valid data in your club, restrict the membership and monitor the quality of data being posted and don't lose sleep over your KOM count.

    It's like I tell the guys, if Team Sky showed up for one-day, you'd never see a KOM again!  When I see such talk it always makes me think, there's another KOM shooter.  They sit-in most of the ride, then they go... Yep, they have a KOM target.   Admittedly, if I don't have a Top10 in my age group I'll be working a bit harder on that segment.  LOL     

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  • I found this thread of comments due to searching "Why can I not see my power stats from Zwift on Strava" Normally on indoor trainer rides on Strava you can see the graphs showing power, cadence, HR etc... I want to see this for the Virtual Ride mode as well please Strava!

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  • Perhaps monthly challenges should have a specific VR category and people should add the type of trainer they are using in their profile, that way it can be filtered in some way for smart v. dumb trainer.  Granted, this would be an "honor" system in defining your trainer.

    I find it a bit maddening that someone in my club who rides a dumb trainer on a ZWIFT course gets "credit" for elevation only because the course was completed, where I use a smart trainer and actually realize the elevation resistance on course when I complete one.  

    Mileage however, in my opinion is a little more universal, as if we complete the same route, the mileage would typically be the similar.

    The fact that someone could essentially freewheel a route with an 7500' climb and get "credit" for that climb is a bit concerning to me when they didn't really do it.

     

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  • I really would like to have virtual rides added to my stats.

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  • I'm no longer uploading Zwift rides to Strava. My mileage goal for 2017 is only for outside miles. I'm on a dumb trainer so any metrics from Zwift are worthless. But I do love Zwift much easier to workout, race, ride with the game. Fantastic.

    I just want separate mileage for in/out riding. My own fix is to avoid it all on Strava.

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  • I don't have zwift, and don't like that it counts for mileage, especially during the brutal winter months, when just getting outside is hard enough.  I don't mind home training, but mixing real outside riding segment KOMs and PRs with indoor stuff seems... wrong.

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  • Mileage and metrics should indeed count, especially when using a smart trainer, as it adjusts the resistance according to the terrain.  Additionally, miles are miles.  

    Why shouldn't they count?  

    This is similar to saying miles ridden in Southern California during January don't count compared to ones ridden in Alaska in January.  

    Again, miles are miles regardless where and how they are turned.

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  • I'm brand new to Strava, but I too would love to see my virtual rides included in my stats. As a guy who has run support organizations for software and hardware companies, I'd suggest this should be an option to include (default off) so that users who like it the way it is don't notice a change. 

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  • I just bought a trainer and I'm disappointed that Strava does not separate outdoor from indoor "miles."  Isn't Strava all about getting people OUTSIDE to have an adventure?  I personally don't like sitting in a dark basement and going NO WHERE...but I'm realizing the importance of my indoor time is so I can have a better time outdoors.  I would prefer these miles being separate so I can track each.

    Also, shouldn't this be a super easy thing for Strava to separate?  I mean, they are already classifying it as a virtual ride, so how hard is it to give indoor rides separate stats (or just to give us a choice how we want to see it)?

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  • Resistance does not equal elevation. Riding in a headwind is hard, but you aren't (necessarily) climbing. Riding with a trailer is hard, but it isn't (necessarily) climbing. Dialing up the resistance on a trainer is hard, but it isn't (ever) climbing - regardless of what the pixels on the screen in front of you are doing.

    But it's fun to keep track of, which is why I suggested the buckets approach in February.

    As it stands, I get around the issue by logging my miles from my trainer and deleting my Zwift elevation data. Though I'd still like to be able to count virtual miles vs actual.

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  • Separate stats please.

    I use a trainer when the weather is too bad to ride or I don't have time to ride AND clean a bike. I want to see the data from these exercise sessions (that's all they are) and I like the Strava interface, but I don't want it counting towards my annual totals because it's not a distance that I have physically covered.

    It's like saying you've had 'X' sexual partners, but including all the pornstars you've ever whacked off to aswell. IT'S NOT REAL!

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  • Virtiual rides suck!!!! They are for the weak and lacy People. Please abandon them from Strava. To me It is like Cheating!!

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  • There are tags that designate real versus virtual and there is value to seeing both. Many times it is a matter of preference. I personaly don't want to count virtual distance and elevation to my yearly total but would like to record the workout.

    I believe the solution here is to allow the user to filter and set preferences with the already existing tags to see the data they are looking for. In the user profile it should be an option to "Count Virtual Ride Data in Yearly Total" for example.  

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