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All tied KOMs/QOMs/CRs should count and register on Profiles

Currently, if you equal a KOM, your achievement is only recognised on that segment's leader board. It is not recognised and does not appear in your personal list of KOMs on the 'KOMs/CRs' section of your profile page. This to me seems non-sensical and unfair, as that KOM only appears on the profile page of the person who first set the current KOM. Surely if two or more people have achieved the same time, they should each have it recognised in their personal list of KOMs on their profile page. It is by definition a shared record, and should be recognised by all who share it. 

Or, if it is only possible to recognise one person for whatever - as it currently appears to be - it should appear on the profile page of the premium member, as they are financially contributing to the Strava site.   

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  • Eric, I deleted my comment that you thought had idiotic reasoning.

    The fact is, beating the existing KOM and not tying it,   is the only way it's going to show up in your profile. Does a person get listed in Guinness World Records if they tie a world record? No, you only get listed if you set a new record. Strava is evidently applying the same reasoning - whoever sets the record gets it listed in their profile. You may not like it, but it isn't idiotic. If you want the KOM in your profile, then go beat the time. And by the way, as of yesterday I have 2 KOMs. :) 

    Thanks for your kudos on how I wrote my previous comments. I'm a web designer and I write in what's called scannable text. 

    Why do you hide your last name?

     

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  • @Craig, and others.

    I understand that how we currently handle a tied KOM/QOM/CR on the segment leaderboards is frustrating. The current system is working as designed, with logic similar to Craig's now deleted post. Neither the current system or the proposed system is perfect when applied to the situation, and it's great to see the discussion unfold here. 

    At this time, we have no plans to change how we list tied KOMs/QOMs/CRs on your profile. However, I am closely monitoring the comments here and sharing them with the rest of the team. 

    Thanks! 

     

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  • @Ellen, Your comment has me curious...

    In what way is the proposed system not "perfect", at least c/w the existing system?

    In my understanding, the only change proposed is to the stats shown on a user's profile, *no change* to the leaderboards in any way. If a rider has achieved the KOM time, then that should be reflected in their profile stats, leaderboards unchanged. And the reasoning behind this, is that with only 1-second precision in timing, ties are far too likely (approx. 100 times more likely than a world or Guinness record), and most likely on shorter segments.

    Your comment "on the segment leaderboards" implies a differing understanding of the issue.

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  • Hi Elle & Craig

    Ladies first. Great to see Strava (and you specifically, Elle) monitoring long-standing discussions. Just to clarify where I stand - I am not suggesting that the main Leaderboards display every person who has tied a KOM; rather, that each individual's KOMs/CRs table also display a tied KOM. I mean, such KOMs already do show up as throphies in each ride's "Top Results"...

    @Craig, thanks for the more constructive commentary and your point of view. My original response (deleted also, given your courtesy) was more a response to your "click-bait" title, about having found a fix. It sure grabbed my attention, which was then followed by disappointment. Water under the bridge now :)

    p.s. Congrats on your 2nd KOM. And why do I only display my first name only? I have my reasons (the internet has a lot to answer for!), but at least it's not a pseudo name or nickname. Stay safe.

     

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  • Same thing happened to me 6 times now. Since the timing resolution is no better than 1 sec there is no way to truely name the real KOM holder. Therefore in the interest of fair play if you "equaled" it then it should be listed/displayed/shown/whatever in your profile page. IMHO. Mic drop

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  • I'm really proud that I recently achieved my first KOM, Unfortunately, my KOM does not show under my personal achievements, because it's a tie. Thanks to everyone for all of the posts, so I can conclude that Strava is not keen on changing this issue. Therefore, I'm gonna head back out and CLEARLY establish this KOM! Friends help other riders to push harder.

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  • I got a KOM first, some other guy equaled it and it now only shows in his profile?  If you pay they show up in your profile?  Money grab?  oh you better sign up if you want all those KOMs to show ... hmmmm

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  • Well done Dean P. Unfortunately, going out to CLEARLY establish a KOM eventually becomes unfeasible, if not unsafe.

    If you're at the limit (and I am not sure that you are, having obtained your first one now and implying you can definitely improve on it), the margin of beating a shared KOM becomes impossible. Think of it as reaching Vmax... otherwise, if everyone could just go out there and always set a better time, we would end with fastest KOM covered in 0.00001s.

    Strava really needs to address this, not on the main leaderboards (where it's logical and fair that only the first KOM achiever is listed), but in all our individual ones whenever a KOM is matched and shared. Afterall, it shows in our individual activities...

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  • Guys at Strava, come on, hear us please. We would love to see this fixed.

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  • Thanks Eric.
    just to clarify, that wasn't my first KOM as such, my point was i achieved the KOM on a segment, therefore was first to get that time, another guy equalled it but the KOM now shows on his profile not mine. This goes against the logic described in the first post of this thread that if you get the KOM first it shows in your profile until beaten.
    Secondly, youll probably find that a large percentage of strava users do got out to get KOMs, so I'm not quite agreeing that it makes it unsafe. Sure this can be argued until the cows come home but it is what it is. Thats why the app is so popular. No offence intended, just my opion.
    Lastly, the technology to have it (shared KOMs) show in multiple profiles is there. You just have to 'pay' to have it. Strava support can correct me if I'm wrong?
    So they should just call it for what it is, if you want the feature you pay for it.

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  • Strava, please fix thism it shouldnt be that the first person who set the KOM shows up in their profile, otherwise why have you applied a KOM to the person who tied it on that activity. If you feel that first come first served is the KOM holder, don't apply a KOM to those who tie on their activity.

    However don't do the above as thats rubbish, fix it so all KOMs show in the relevant users profiles, tied or not.

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  • Soooooo many simple programming / display issues, Strava refuse to even look at.

    Another display issue; 1000s of Strava users have been screaming for is a list of top ten achievements, similar to the KOM/CR page.  Would be really simple to turn on and give a LOT of people motivation to get out there and crack a top ten time.

    End of whinge, generally love Strava!

     

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  • I agree this would be a nice fix

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  • Amy comments from Strava on this yet?

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  • I'm not sure that Strava understands the business they are in.  Yes, most people do not achieve KOMs, but this is a sporting community, and the achievement leaders are the influence holders.  If you lose them, you lose the other people too.

    This isn't really up for discussion.   There is near unanimity on the subject, if you are a shared KOM holder, it should be listed in your personal profile - as a shared KOM.  It should not be listed as the first to hold the title.  Nobody is suggesting, or asking, for any inaccuracy.

    Strava pushed back only that they are uninterested in making a simple change, without any reasoning for what they are doing.  As if somehow you default to nonsensical and arbitrary, and only make a change after some long drawn out battle.

    Ridiculous.  If you can't defend your position, you don't have one. 

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  • UPDATE: I contributed to this thread because I recently earned my first KOM. Unfortunately, I was TIED with another rider, and my profile did not reflect that I was the owner of a KOM. I am pleased to report that I went back to that segment and I officially posted my first KOM. Others in this thread warned that attempting this might be "dangerous". As cyclists, safety comes first for "most" of us. Secondly, I ride to constantly improve my skills. I am proud to have conquered this segment, as well as another! Anything that inspires you to achieve is good. And in this case, Strava's current policy was the catalyst for this small achievement. I am NOT acquiescing that I approve of the policy, but I'd rather deal with it productively, rather than complain. #gogetit 

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  • Yeah. +1 from here.

     

    I would really appreciate this feature.

    I am thinking it wont be so hard to do. 

    Probably lump it into the trivial basket, if you ask me.

    So how about it?

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  • Another +1 from me here.

    It is nonsensical that it shows you: 1st equal on the leaderboard, marks KOM in the activity feed, marks KOM in ride overview, marks KOM in My Profile achievements; but does not list the segment in KOMs/CRs.

    All I want is a list of segments where I have been the fastest rider. Fastest being the superlative - there is no one faster.

    Strava may not believe it is important, but it is my biggest gripe with the app. So much so that I have taken the time to write a comment.

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  • Agree +1 from me here.

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  •  

    Come on Strava just sort this.

    All you have to do is mark them 'Tied KOM' in some way and everyone is happy.

    I've got a bunch of Tied KOMs that I'd like to keep track of in the KOM page, just seems daft not to show them.

     

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  • It is simple logic here. If one achieves a KOM, it should appear on his profile. Same segment, same time, same treatment. Also, consider this. Some guy has a KOM that nobody knows about because it doesn't show on his profile, but a woman making double the time and being on the 60th place can enjoy a QOM on that very segment. It strikes me as unfair.

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  • This feels like a software bug, plain and simple--please put in the queue to get it resolved...

     

    Thank you!

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  • Strava this needs to be fixed please

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  • I agree, this is an issue.  It sounds like an oversight, but maybe now it is to difficult to correct for Strava?

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  • +1 it's annoying 

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  • This should be fixed. Strava please resolve this issue. It doesn't seem to be a significant software update. 

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  • +1 That really pisses me of! I have (i guess) three KOM´s that are not shown on my KOMs/CR-List. There is absolut no reason to handle it that way. When riders set the same time the KOM should be listed in everyones KOM/CR-List.

    Why is strava not interested in fixing this? I love strava but that is something that makes me angry. :-(

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  • To me, a key aim for Strava is to motivate and reward people which the current "first person in" scenario doesn't do.

    I've just got my first tied KOM and was disappointed not to see it on my profile KOMs and then googled to see why and found this discussion. 

    I work in IT and see this as a simple display change on a webpage, just pulling data out of a database. It is not difficult. On the segment's page, the first in person's picture can still display as the KOM, it just needs to show on the profile KOM page for each tied person. 

    I appreciate Strava may not have an army of developers but surely it'd be best to fix the quick wins first, especially those that annoy paying customers. I have just gone to premium via a 2 month free trial and will seriously consider going back to the free option due to issues like this. 

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  • So when as today on a group ride when two of us got a joint KOM at exactly the same time, when I upload from ny Garmin, oh guess what it does not appear on my profile. So basically it's down to who uploaded first? Hardly fair Strava!

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  • Come on Strava, as segments are your raison d'etre, don't you think this is a pretty big thing to sort out for your paying customers!? Sort it out.

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