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All tied KOMs/QOMs/CRs should count and register on Profiles

Currently, if you equal a KOM, your achievement is only recognised on that segment's leader board. It is not recognised and does not appear in your personal list of KOMs on the 'KOMs/CRs' section of your profile page. This to me seems non-sensical and unfair, as that KOM only appears on the profile page of the person who first set the current KOM. Surely if two or more people have achieved the same time, they should each have it recognised in their personal list of KOMs on their profile page. It is by definition a shared record, and should be recognised by all who share it. 

Or, if it is only possible to recognise one person for whatever - as it currently appears to be - it should appear on the profile page of the premium member, as they are financially contributing to the Strava site.   

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  • I've got to say this again though - the logic is not even consistant. I achieved a KOM on a segment and another guy equalled it at a later date ... why does it now show in his profile and not mine?  

    Please Strava, can you give a good reason why you would not want to fix this issue.  Make this great app even better and show tied KOMs in Profiles for those that acheive them.  

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  • My friend and I took a KOM today. He did it slower than me by about a half second. I entered the segment behind him, quickly passed, pulled the whole thing and finished in front. Strava shows that his average speed was slower than mine, but because we are both at 2 minutes and 5+ seconds, it gives us both the crown. However because he ended his ride and uploaded sooner, it gives him top billing and only shows up on his profiles KOM list. This is something that needs to be fixed. If Strava wants to keep people interested in using their system, they need to work to keep things accurate. Otherwise why work your ass to get a segment if it's arbitrarily going to go to someone else.

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  • Also I'm interested into this fix (I believe, as said, it's wrong and has to be fixed, it should be not an additional Strava feature). Either I'm the first or not, I think it should appear in my KOM list.

    Do you know another strange thing? I have a KOM (a shared one in which I'm third)...I just received notification I just lost my KOM: if I'm not KOM, since I'm not the first that spotted that time, why should I get this notification?

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  • I found this after searching google as to why shared KOMs or CRs do not show on your achievements list on Strava.. Like others have previously said its unfair that only the first person to to set a particular time on a segment etc gets the credit for it .. 

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  • Strava can you please let us know what's on your roadmap regarding KOM's / QOM's / CR's?

    This shared KOM issue is extremely frustrating. A shared KOM should be visible on all the profiles of the people who are sharing it, that's just a no brainer. I can't believe this hasn't been fixed in the last two years!!

    I'm fairly new to Strava but i can see that the Crowns side of things is extremely competitive. However, i think your app is missing some vital features in this area.

    Surely the leaderboards should have gold, silver & bronze crowns so there's a little more for everyone to fight for. A podium place is going to be much more appealing if it comes with a crown.

    Also i can't believe the profiles don't show an athletes crown collection. Surely a gold crown symbol with the number an athlete has collected at the top of the profile should be a pretty easy feature to implement? Obviously if you were to extend it to silver and bronze as well that would be an awesome feature that would motivate athlete's to go out and collect those crowns.

    Shared KOM's issue needs to be fixed asap though and the rest is food for thought.

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  • Strava just needs to start breaking down the top ten into 10ths of a second. They already reflect faster and slower average speeds for the efforts where a crown is shared. They have the power.

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  • I don't like making this about fairness. It's really about the fact that as strava has become more ubiquitous, it will get to the point where the margins by which segments are taking are naturally getting smaller, and if they don't offer recognition, people will lose interest and go elsewhere.

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  • @Nate, unfortunately I'm pretty sure they cannot break it down to tenths of a second. Even on a Garmin, the sampling frequency isn't up to it, but certainly not on a mobile phone. Already if you look at very short segments (<20 seconds), you'll see the Kom is usually held by a mobile phone, I'm sure due to a phone's very slow sampling frequency, with less than 1 sec accuracy, yielding large proportional errors on short segments.
    Which also means that the second tied holder of the Kom, may actually be up to a second faster than the Kom holding time.
    Making the current way if handling this, a bit farcical.
    The only logical way I can see (and the nearest to fair as can be achieved), is to share the Kom equally, on all tied kom holders' profiles.

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  • Issues of timing precision and sampling rate aside, commercial GPS signals (from the satellites) are only required to be accurate to within ~7 meters, and GPS receivers can also introduce inaccuracies. See http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/performance/accuracy/ for more detail.

    Clearly, more accurate differentiation on leaderboards is infeasible given the technology. Nevertheless, it's still undeniable that if two athletes are shown to have the same time on a leaderboard, they should have the same place/KOM status.

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  • This is Stava's bread an butter and yet it remain in limbo, really disappointing.

    Personally I think the KOM belongs to the person who got it first, end of story.

    All notifications for equalling the KOM should be removed.  It is so annoying to be told "you got the KOM" and then discovered that actually you didn't, and only equalled it.  Oh, hooray, I'm equal best!, is something nobody ever says.

    Either way though, shared or first person, Strava needs to show us that it's actually working on fixing things people care about.

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  • Not sure about leaderboards being their bread and butter, but regardless whether timing inaccuracies of at least a second are from sampling frequency, or position error, the fact that mobile phones dominate short segment (<=20sec) koms, shows that the error is there.
    Accept that, then you have to accept that the second person to equal the Kom time could well be faster than the first, by up to a second. So after 3 or more ties on a kom, the first time recorded, is actually *probably* not the fastest. So just leaving the Kom solely, always, with the first rider, is nonsense. The only alternative I can see, with current technology, is fairly share it.

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  • The last conversations are detracting from the issue of tied KOM/QOMs not appearing on individual profiles.

    Who cares about GPS sampling rates and frequencies or millisecond ranking or medals. This is neither NASA nor the Olympics.

    Strava, since you already alert users of shared KOM/QOMs please make it appear in the individual profiles and leave the Leaderboards to list only the first to get the fastest time. Simple.

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  • @Eric, I agree, keep it simple. The recent discussion was to rationalise why it makes no sense to do anything other than treat all tied kom holders' the same, such as have it on all their profiles.
    In my opinion:
    1) Profiles should include all your koms, shared or not (because Strava have no way of knowing who is actually fastest).
    2) Leaderboards should remain as they are, they seem as fair as they can be already.

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  • If I match a KOM, it's just an incentive to go out, try harder and beat it. It doesn't need a technical fix, the solution is ride harder.

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  • Can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet. It's just changing the select statement on KOM profile page. It doesn't impact the leaderboards at all.

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  • After so many years.. please fix this.. 

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  • Sure would like to see this fixed! I have a shared KOM on a popular local sprint. Guess I'll keep trying to own it outright until the fix comes through. :-)

     

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  • If a KOM is shared (i.e. the segment leaderboard has two or more numbers 1s) then put the KOM on both athlete's profile pages. There's nothing more to it than that.

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  • Strava is too busy pumping it's "curated" non-chronological activity feed and their Athlete Blogs to actually respond to customer feedback.

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  • Why does the person who got the KOM first (that actual KOM holder) appear in 2nd place on the leaderboards?  Madness!!

    The person who got it first should be TOP OF THE LEADERBOARD!

     

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  • @ John Ford - not the popular vote around here but I actually agree with you - that it's motivation to go and do it again or to gain extra fitness. I equalled a KOM today - I found it pleasing and frustrating - but my thoughts after having a cuppa.. 'Go out and do it again tomorrow lad'. I think, by definition, you can only have 1 king...

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  • Agree!

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  • I had thought this was sort of fixed.  I tied a few KOMs over the past several months and the segments showed on my KOM list even though I wasn't the first to set the time.  I still had an older tie, that didn't show on my KOM board, though.  Today I just got a new KOM outright which should have pushed me to 21 KOMs and I was excited I was going to get a second page, but when I checked my list, I was only at 20.  After a bit of searching, I discovered one of the ties that was previously listed was now no longer there, but a second one was still listed.  I find it odd that it isn't consistent and changes over time.  I think they must be running some kind of ego deflating algorithm ;)

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  • Is anyone else now seeing different behaviour?  It seems that when you now equal the KOM it goes to your profile.  Used to be that if you had it first, it stayed on your profile until beaten.

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  • @DeanP * personally speaking, it does not work as you mentioned. I actually have a tied KOM (of which I'm very proud, being first amongst 4000+ users) obtained as third person who ever reached this goal and it does not appear on my KOM list

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  • Nothing has changed for me -

    I'm the third to get the same KOM time - https://www.strava.com/segments/14702627

    It doesn't appear in my KOM list - https://www.strava.com/athletes/322910/segments/leader?page=1

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  • There's a known issue where KOMs aren't showing in the list at all. I now have 30+ missing from my list even though I'm the outright holder. As usual, they don't seem in any rush to fix it though.

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  • I have multiple TIED KOM"S that i set first that do not show in my list.. Just had a rival equal me on 2 segments last week after a year of trying.. He now has them in his list and I no longer have them in mine even though i still show first on the leaderboard.  I am not bitching just making an observation for the code writers.. Also got 3 KOMs yesterday that Still don't show on the leaderboards or my KOM list but do show as PR's on my activity list rather than crowns.. Not sure if it is a server issue or a coding issue.

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  • Very strange ... I have 3 different riders who ride in the same area I do and we've all experienced this.  We used to think if you upload first and get KOM it goes to you but it's now happening in the reverse.  It's been a bit of to and fro as we've all been getting similar/same times and when a KOM has been equalled, it goes to that persons profile ... not the person who originally got the time first.  

    Seems to be very inconsistent behaviour around how Strava is treating equalled KOMs. 

    Any words of advice on this Strava Support please ?? 

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  • People, regarding the above issues, I submitted a ticket a while ago. They told me that they are aware of the issues and are working on. See conversation below:
    Dennis (Help Center)

    Nov 6, 3:32 PM PST

    Hello Victor,

    Sorry for the trouble. We are still working on it on our end and trying to get it resolved as soon as possible. 

    I'll reach out once its resolved. 

    Regards,
    Dennis
    Strava Support Team

     

     

    Victor V.

    Victor V.

    Nov 3, 6:05 AM PDT

    Hello Dennis,

    Did your experts already have some insights on this issue?
    My list of KOMs is getting smaller by the day, without understanding why. Hope your people will have a solution soon.

    Thanks in advance.

    Best regards,
    Victor

     

    Dennis

    Dennis (Help Center)

    Oct 30, 3:08 PM PDT

    Hello Victor,

    Thank you for contacting Strava Support.

    We are currently investigating an issue that’s preventing some QOM/KOM/CRs from the list on the profile page. The correct segment effort will also not appear on the segment leaderboards.

    We apologize for any inconvenience.

    Regards,
    Dennis
    Strava Support Team
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