Feedback for the Route Builder

Love the new Route Builder feature in Strava Premium. I have only had a quick play on an iPad so far but have a couple of comments. To define a starting location it appears you need to type in an address. It would be great if there was a "use current location" option that drops the pin where you are standing. Keep up the good work guys! Tim

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  • Thanks for the question Matt - It doesn't seem like Strava puts elevation data in the Route exports. This would be a good feature enhancement however! 

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  • Hi Elle,

    I have used the strava route planner several times and it gives the best actual routes of all websites! The only issue I have is that I cannot get the routes onto my garmin... I have an apple mac and the site seems to send me XML files instead of TCX. It says the garmin has the file but clearly cannot read it. So I have to go to a friends to download on their old PC. Is there a way I can get this solved? I did try directly to contact strava with no response.

    cheers,

     

    Paul

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  • Hi Paul,

    Once you download the file from the Strava Routes page, try navigating to the file in your downloads folder, highlighting it, and clicking command(i), or File > Get Info. 

    From here, remove the ".XML" part of the file name. Make sure the file correctly ends with ".TCX". Save and download to your Garmin. Hope that helps! 

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  • The route builder would be great if it plotted on trails correctly.  I find it nearly impossible to plot an entire route unless it is on a conventional road.  Garmin has the one up on their course building tool.

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  • Not sure if anyone else is looking for this, but I'd like to be able to manually enter a time against a route I've defined.  If I commute the same route every day, there's no point in running my phone app or Garmin over and over, but logging my time against that route would be helpful.

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  • The GPX files exported directly from activities include elevation data. When I copy an activity in Strava to the Route Builder it calculates elevation into My Routes nicely. Alas, the Route Builder does not export the elevation data in the GPX files. I'm not sure if there is something behind the omit of elevation data in the Route Builder export feature or just a parameter missing. Elevation data is useful in my bike computer to give a percentage while climbing.

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  • Hi, The Strava route builder currently wrks fine as a toul to draw routes, but there are many other route builders that offer similar functionality. Strava however has the data available to make the Strava route builder by far the best tool. To achieve that the following functionality could be added.

    1- altitude profile: the altitude profile is visible while building the route but if I send the route to a Garmin EDGE device than the altitude profile is missing this should be fixed.

    2- ability to enter average speed in the routebuilder to have a reference wile riding it as course on a Garmin Edge, even better would be if you could enter: avg speed on flat and VAM for climbs. (www.bikeroutetoaster.com has this functionality, Garmin Connect has this functionality but only based on avg speed.

    3- Ability to include segments as course points in the route. It would be very nice if you could check segments in the segment explorer and the start and finish point of these checked segments would be included in the TCX files 

    4 Ability to include segments and a a ridden result of these segments as a virtual partner in the route.  (Garmin advertises similar functionality as the key feature of the EDGE1000, but this works only with Garmin Segments.) Many other Garmin Edges have the ability to ride against a virtual partner and to reset that virtual partner during the ride. If you would create a course based on an average speed but with one segment with actual ride data you can ride against this virtual partner data on the segment even if your trip to the beginning of the segment took much longer or shorter than planned. The Race shape website has done part of the work for you, the only thing that needs to be done is to replace the track data of a segment with the data which is generated on this site: http://strava-tools.raceshape.com/vpu/  Maybe the people who made this want to help you?

    I hope to find this functionality soon in your route builder, if it happens it will be a real killer!

     

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  • @David, Great suggestion and you can find similar comments here (and you can add your vote): https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/25448599-Attach-a-Route-map-when-entering-a-Manual-Entry-

    @Martin, You can find a feature suggestion for this below - feel free to add your vote! https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/43656354-Export-Elevation-data-in-Strava-Routes-files

    Eric, fantastic feedback, and I agree! 

    Here is another thread you might be interested in voting for: https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/43136250-Manually-set-Average-Speed-and-Total-Time-for-a-Strava-Route

    Thanks!

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  • I commented (back in November 2013) about how good I though it was having the heat maps (and it still is!). But as I use the Route Builder more and more, it gets more and more annoying that I can't see the heat map underneath any planned route. I prefer to go on routes that are well travelled as the majority of riders are generally right. But I have to keep dragging the route away in order to see what's underneath it. Can the route path be configurable so that you can switch to see the detail underneath (particularly the heat map)?

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  • I created a route to ride together with my brother over the weekend. So I used the share button to make it available to him. He told me that it was not possible for him to load route on his mobile phone. So he manually recreated the route himself and then used it on his phone.

    Also in a similar matter, a friend created a route for an upcoming activity. The goal was to discuss the route and see how he should adapt it (make it shorter for me). Last week this route was in my activity feed. But now it is gone. Is there any option to find it back again? As I would like to see it and in the future (1 month) load it on my phone.

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  • Hope someone reads all these comments and filters out what is useful. Here is my comment: when creating a route, it does not calculate the route from the last waypoint. So sometimes it just makes my drive back and take another route, probably because it is shorter from another waypoint or because a part is a dirt road. This is of course not a good thing.

    Also, removing waypoints should be an option, as well as reordering them.

    I also noticed that it refuses to draw routes via cycle paths. When I click on a cycle road, it places the waypoint somewhere near on a normal road.

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  • I tried out Strava's Route Builder yesterday for the first time. However, there were a number of problems that made me abandon the tool and use something else. I'm probably just repeating what others have already reported, so this is a kind of "Me too!" comment:

    1. Route Builder would not follow some of the roads on the map. I wanted to go along a quiet road that bypassed a much busier one, but Route Builder would not let me drop a way point on the quiet road.
    2. Route Builder created a route that followed a section of road that no longer exists. It was a twisty section that was straightened out a year ago. I could not follow the new straighter road.
    3. Route Builder sent me along a grass track that is not suitable for a road bike.
    4. Route Builder did not add the Strava segment start and end points to the cue sheet or even let me do it manually.
    5. Route Builder did not embed the cue sheet data in the TCX, so it was useless for my Edge 500. Printing out a full-page cue sheet and sticking it on the front of my bike is simply not practical (or aerodynamic).
    6. Route Builder picked the pace for the route, so my Edge 500's "Virtual Partner" could not be adjusted to either challenge me or help me take it easy.

    In the end, I just gave up on Route Builder. Instead, I used Ride with GPS to create a route that followed the roads that I wanted, that let me add custom cue sheet entries to mark the start and end of some Strava segments (very tedious, but effective), and that embedded all the turn-by-turn cue sheet entries in the exported TCX. I then used Bike Route Toaster to adjust the pacing along the route to my liking. As I rode along, my Edge 500 beeped at start and end of each Strava segment, told me to turn left or right at junctions, and helped me with my pacing. Nice.

    Of the three tools I tried, Strava's Route Builder is the only one that has no means at all of supporting Strava segments. The mind boggles.

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  • Just had a go on the Route Builder for some new routes and noticed it keeps putting me on the wrong side of the road. I know bikeroutetoaster lets you choose which side of the road to ride on but can't see this option on Strava. Mapping on the wrong side of the road really makes a mess of things on divided roads.

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  • I'm new to Srava and am excited by the route builder. Had a play, it's not too buggy ;)

    One question I have, does the resulting route require you to follow the drawn path between waypoints?

    On my daily commute I tend to take the path of least resistance and rarely take the same course. I do start and end at the same location and go through a couple of intersections along the way every time. If I mark these as "waypoints" does the path between them matter?

     

    Thanks for you insights.

    AE

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  • I use the route builder a lot, thank you. Since last week however, segments are no longer showing in the route builder. I use this to find the nice back roads, making the route more exciting. I didn't get segments in Chrome nor in Internet Explorer. Now I have two screens open: the route builder and a separate segment explorer. 

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  • I started to migrate from map my ride to strava. I like the overall site and app. I just have a few comments. Hopefully I have just missed the feature and it is not truly missing.

    1. I normally ride from my house. I like the safety zone feature but it would be nice to have a list of my common starting points.  IF we could save them with easy common names like Home, Tuesday Group, Main Street Trail entrance or Jane's house.

    2. Trying to report an error in the map seems to not work. I drop a pin and i just continually get the message "To report an error with your route or the map, zoom in and click on the map to place a flag where you see a problem." Maybe I need to understand what placing a flag really means. 

     

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  • Having much trouble saving friends route on MTB trails. Route Builder puts waypoints on local roads and I cant figure out how to get waypoints on the actual trails. Keeps putting me back on roads.

    I have to say I have a few other programs I use and are not so confining in this regard. Would love Strava to finally recognize MTB vs Road in menues-Not just Cycling and adjust route builder to do same.

    I haven't even gotten as far as being able to save to phone yet, can't wait to see how that goes, overall kind of disappointing in functionality.

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  • @Eric - yes, this is a known issue on our end. In order for the Route Builder to create a route, the trail or road network must be properly mapped in our basemap. Currently we use OpenStreetMaps which has a pretty good database of mountain bike trails, but not all systems are mapped in OSM. So, when you try and create a route from an existing MTB activity and the trails aren't in the base map, you won't get a very helpful result.

    We continue to work with OSM to leverage Strava heatmap data to improve the basemap, so it's only going to get better from here. 

    Thanks for the comment! 

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  • Not sure if it's possible, but in the future it would be great to see the heatmap feature in different colours for different kinds of riding.  E.g., roads/paths not suitable for road bikes/tires show up as well-used if MTBers use them lots... so if you're trying to map a route in an unknown place using the heatmap to pick safe and useable roads, it's hit and miss.  Currently you can't use Google Streetview while creating your route to check if the road is actually paved or not, so the heatmap has limited usefulness there.  Any way to improve that?

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  • I like the Route Builder a lot but the predicted "elevation gain" is way too optimistic. I built a route with 2700hm that in fact only had 1600hm....way off !

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  • +1 for the spot that Route Builder does not currently export elevation data for my Garmin 810.  To be fair, neither does Garmin Connect so I have to use BikeRouteToaster instead.

    Another thing that I would like to see fixed is the ability to 'auto' route on cycle paths.  We've got a great feature called the Guided Busway near Cambridge (part of NCR51) but if I want to include it in any of my routes, I have to switch to manual routing for that segment.

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  • Trust me when I say, take a paper map and draw out your route before leaving.  I have Verizon S5, Garmin 810 and lots of other bells and whistles to make my Vegas rides smoother.  I greatly appreciate being able to create a segment and explore tracks of others (I advise against paying the QOMs any mind with the amount of fake tracks).
    However, I still find route builder to be extremely unfriendly to fit my garmin GPX prep needs when creating a new route or trying to grabbing an existing route found through QOMs:

    > Waypoints do not move or drag to change an existing route to modify my needs before a ride easily - a line drag option at any point in an existing track would be ideal.
    > Poor Transitions from Manual to Popular to accommodate the needs to go from bike trails to roads when creating new tracks is a head ache

    They are lots of pointers on how to go around these issues, but they rarely work and lead track planning from a 15 min chore on paper to a 18 hr chore online.  Who wants to waste saddle time!

    For those of us that use Garmin to alert us when to turn, it is a true disappointment not to have a prepped GPX to follow.... So just like the good ole days, the TRUSTY OLD MAP still works BEST!!!. 
    Thanks Garmin for everything else!   I absolutely adore how I can take anyone's public map and save!  This ROCKS!

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  • Hi I'm having a lot of difficulty with route builder. I run trails so have the settings in manual mode and satellite view every time I get a few miles in to building my route the maps freeze and then stall altogether forcing me to restart. Also prior to the stall happening you can see that every time you make a new way mark the system takes what seems quite an extended pause to recalculate the route I have used lots of other route builders e.g. runkeeper, mapmyrun and not had any of these slow down or stall issues. I love the interface and Strava is my go to fitness tracking service so it's frustrating that for me it's failing every time I use it. Any suggestions?

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  • I love the route builder.

    Reading through the comments I think a lot of inadequacies boil down to errors/misses in the underlying OSM data - thankfully these can be corrected (and nowadays, using the web-based ID editor there is no need to install software to do it), but there is only so much Strava can do about it.

    However a glaring omission is the inability to indicate what type of cycling route one wants to build - road cycling, touring and MTB are completely different things! Trying to map a road cycling route in an area abundant with MTBers and touring cyclists takes very long since you have to check each road, even if the underlying OSM data is correct (i.e: MTB: trails / touring: cycling routes, unpaved / road: cycling routes, paved)

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  • The one thing I would like to see on the Route Builder is a change to the page after you have finished building your route that has all the segments you've potentially matched on it. This information is great as it gives you an idea of what segments are worth attempting in areas you haven't run/cycled before.

    However there is a problem in that if it is a particularly long route you've plotted, the segment list scrolls off the bottom of the screen and when you go to highlight them, you can no longer see what part of the map and elevation profile they refer to. Ideally the set up of this page should change so that the map stays on screen at all times when scrolling, or the other thought I had was that maybe it could be set up similar to the Analysis page on an activity, so that the segments appear as horizontal bars underneath the relevant bits of the elevation profile that you can click on to see the segment details.

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  • I particularly like the recent comments by @Pascal and @Steven. Being able to determine the route surface type (paved/dirt/trail) would be valuable when building a route. And in terms of viewing long lists of segments on a save Route, I completely understand the usability issues. 

    Great feedback, and thanks for passing it along! 

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  • I'd love to see a possibility to upload another generated, or tracked and exported gpx-file into the route builder.

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  • It would be helpful if a saved route could be imported as a manual activity entry, for when your phone eats your ride or you forget to record it.
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  • I think it would be helpful to have the option to show distance markers when viewing a route map. Currently, the only way I've been able to view distance markers on a map of a route has been in Route Builder when I am editing a route.

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  • It seems that lately the popularty filter is broken. When setting a route the builder chooses a lot of strange routes. Makes is very hard to use.

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