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Apple Watch Series 2

Hi, 

Have to ask the question, as Apple hinted that the GPS in the new watch will allow access to developers. Will Strava look at a native Apple Watch app which uses the GPS on the watch?

 

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  • yea we know the deal you continue to ignore and refuse to contribute any useful info. we'll be the first to hear about it if anyone is still here after being ignored for 2 months

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  • My Apple Watch Series 2 will arrive today, and I'm desperately looking for a way to upload Swimming data from the new Apple watch to my Strava account. I've been using a Garmin Swim watch to collect data and then share that data with Strava. But I'm hoping to use the new Apple WS2. I know Apple's Health security is tight and currently they only share basic info like My age, weight, sex and Heart rate. But the only way I can see to get around this, would be to collect data from MyfitnessPal using "Workout" data and then sharing that with Strava, but I fear a loop occurring. The industry needs to really look at this, as many people like myself use multiple apps to collect their exercise and food data. I currently use Garmin for swimming, Cyclemeter for cycling and Strava for running/walking. These then share their data with Strava, and the results are then shared with MyFitnessPal!

    Now Apple are in the mix, and I'm sure it's going to be better than the Garmin I use. But how can I share the Apple data... The option I see is to drop Strava for Apple's Health, but there's loads of really cool stuff on Strava, like maps and the social elements that the Health app doesn't give. 

    I feel in a situation that I'll have to make very soon is to stop my Strava Pro and see if I can upload the data to Apple Health, something I think I can do, and use that as my new hub for exercise data, losing the richness that Strava provides, purely because I can only share basic data from Apple to Strava.

    Writhing this I've kinda answered my own concerns... you see I Swim a lot. it's my main sport. Perhaps this is the way it will always be, and different apps are continually improving and update. Consumers will always jump onto the next cleaver app, with richer and more focused data to satisfy their appetite. And Strava is simply a social site that shares your exercises with others with some rich info like maps, photos and fitness levels.

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  • hi Elle, it's really too long//

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  • As several of you have mentioned, the Nike+ Run Club app now runs on the AW2 independently and uses the GPS on the watch. I tried it today and it worked very well. I even streamed music to bluetooth earbuds from the watch while running. 35 minute run used less than 15% of battery power. At the end of the run I was able to sync to Strava using the app called "RunGap." It is a great little app that allows tracks to be moved across a wide variety of services, including Nike+ and Strava. 

    Also, I called Nike+ support yesterday and talked with a rep who indicated that many of their customers are asking for Strava export capability. It sounds like it may show up in the next update to the app. So, if Strava doesn't get going on their watch app we at least have an alternative.

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  • Just another user expressing the desire to have paired functionality so I can leave my phone behind on a run. ?8&8!( I don't care, but the grail is to go jogging with my god watch streaming Bluetooth to my headphones.

    We know it's possible, please do it!

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  • thats great news Elle

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  • Strava wake up!!! it´s a race, the first wins !!!!

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  • Actually, you can use both Nike NRC and Strava. Got my Nike+ Watch yesterday and confirmed the following with a quick run this morning.

    1. Use the Nike NRC watch app for the run. It records GPS location and heart rate data from the watch.
    2. The NRC watch app syncs with the iPhone and then uploads to the Nike service. Here's my run this morning, but I don't see any way to mark it as public, so it may not be viewable by others: https://www.nike.com/us/en_us/p/myactivity/activity/1dc3aa1b-6cf6-4229-aaf5-5bfa82323122
    3. Use the RunGap app on the iPhone to export from Nike+ and then upload to Strava. This step is at least semi-manual. You can configure RunGap to automatically download from Nike+ on launch, but uploading to Strava is manual. Here's info on RunGap: http://www.rungap.com
    4. Here's the run after syncing to Strava: https://www.strava.com/activities/759269411

    This seems like a reasonable process to me, though I wish the syncing could be fully automatic (e.g. via tapiriik.com).

    The NRC app is quite usable; I like it slightly better than the stock Workouts app (which I also think is pretty good.) The display is much more readable during the run, and I like the audible splits every mile. (I can hear the Apple watch speaker fine even in traffic, so there's no need to bother with headphones.) The disadvantage of the NRC is, as far as I can tell, there's no way to take a manual lap (i.e. double tap on the display with the Workouts app), but maybe there's a gesture I haven't found yet. On the other hand, NRC can do guided workouts (e.g. intervals) with voice guidance, but, as far as I can tell, you're limited to the workouts that the NRC training program defines; you can't create your own intervals.

    Other differences between the NRC app and the Workouts app:

    1. GPS data from the NRC run isn't stored in Apple Health. It is stored in the NRC iPhone app, so you can view it there, but if you're hoping for some future iPhone app (like maybe even Strava's own app!) being able to read GPS data from Apple Health, you'd have to use the Workouts app and not NRC. (Note that NRC does store other info about the run in Apple Health, just not the GPS track.)
    2. The Workouts app makes an attempt at recording cadence from the watch accelerometer. The accuracy seems questionable in my experience, but the data is there. The NRC app doesn't record any cadence information.

    Bottom line is that, for me, I'm okay with using NRC for now. Presumably Strava will eventually get around to updating their iOS app to read workout data from Apple Health, at which point I'll probably switch back to using the stock Workouts app. Honestly, I don't see a whole lot of utility in Strava continuing to develop/support their own Apple Watch app. The stock Workouts app seems perfectly acceptable to me, and if you don't like that app there are already alternatives (e.g. NRC, Pear, and, soon, iSmoothRun; presumably others too.)

     

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  • Following up on my post above. It looks like it may be possible to set up automatic syncing between Nike and Strava using Smashrun (http://smashrun.com) and Tapirik (https://tapiriik.com). I'll test that tomorrow morning with another short run and report back.

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  • Thanks, Elle. What would indeed really help here is an indication in terms of time. 

    When you thank us for our patience, are we talking about weeks or months until AWS2 support? The API documentation has been available quite a while, I'm not expecting the app to be ready immediately, but you should by now be able to tell us whether 

    [1] Strava will be able to utilise AW2 GPS at all (or not), and

    [2] when we could (roughly) expect the update (e.g. which month)

    Again: thanks for your support and all the hard work of the engineers.

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  • Will it be before Christmas or are we looking at a longer time span? 

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  • +1 still waiting STRAVA to update its app ASAP.

    Just got my new APW S2, had my first run without my iphone but sadly found out Strava app doesn't work without phone.

    : (

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  • We do not currently support the native GPS of the Apple Watch 2.0.

    But, the next version of Strava for Apple Watch is in the works, and will take advantage of the native GPS.

    We expect to release it before spring (early 2017).

    https://www.strava.com/apple-watch

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  • Thank you Ellie !;-))

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  • @ Stephen
    You write that "NRC can do guided workouts (e.g. intervals) with voice guidance".

    But you need to take your Iphone with you for voice guidance and guided workouts, don't you?
    It doesn't work  with the watch only. Or how did you transfer a workout into the watch? And does the watch really give voice-feedback?

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  • Thanks for the update Elle .. 

    Now that the Nike Run Club app is available for the Series 2, and I can export runs to Strava using RunGap, I hope Strava takes it's time and gets the Series 2 version right.

    I would hope the following is included:

    • Configurable Audio feedback (Time, Distance Pace, Pace, HR), including split data
    • Real-Time Segments
    • Pause, Auto-Pause functionality (Nike's double tap on the screen works well to pause a run)
    • Large, Visible Fonts 
    • Ability to review prior runs on the watch (run history)

    Looking forward to the update in early 2017.

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  • Also adding myself to the list wondering why this isn't available yet.  Let's go Strava.

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  • I'm surprised to see recommendations for RunGap here, I've tried it and it only exported the most bare bones of data across to Strava, nothing I couldn't have entered manually because it didn't export any map data for me.

    I hope the comment that the Nike app might support an export in a future release is accurate - I contacted their support and they answered a different question to the one I asked. I asked if Strava support was coming and they merely confirmed it isn't in the current version. Thanks Nike support for that!!!

    I've also tried the PEAR sports app. It's not without bugs but I did get a sensible answer to my question from their support person that they knew of the bug I reported and were working on a fix (if you pause a run it loses the portion of the run before the pause).

    The Nike app does give some voice prompts without the phone; it spoke my kilometre splits to me -  unfortunately it didn't dip the music while doing so meaning depending on how loud the music was at the time determined how audible the prompts were!

     

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  • Hi Stephen Thomas. Thanks for your help. How does Apple Watch S2 calculates the altitude, if no altimeter?

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  • Would love an idea of what the app would look like, how it would function, etc. It's a determining factor between the Apple Watch 2 and Garmin 735 XT. Thanks! 

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  • Another request for AW2 native GPS & swim activity support as soon as possible..........c'mon Strava.....it shouldn't take this long.......Nike have got the jump on you, surely that's not a good thing for you.

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  • I am very disappointed with Strava app not working without the phone. I was hoping to get rid of my old Garmin 620 and only use the apple watch series 2.

    Not to be. Even if the app will support the apple watch GPS it uses the touch screen to start stop and has no pause so it is not usable for running sets or intervals.

    How disappointing. 

     

     

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  • Are there any similar apps or services like Run Gap that can sync across Strava or NRC, but is automatic?

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  • @ salvi becca

    nope, you have voice guidance directly from the watch along with GPS tracking, no phone is needed. You can use RunGap to sync NRC with strava. Its a nice workaround for now.

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  • Someone with solutions?

     

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  • Any chance of joining the beta team for the updated app?

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  • I understand there will be development with the Watch, but can you confirm this will be with running AND swimming?

    Pretty much the only reason I bought it. 

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  • Is there a way to subscribe only to STRAVA's updates on this thread?

    (I don't need to see the same complaints and follow-up questions over and over and over...)

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  • @ Matthew S

    I was having the same issue with RunGap not exporting GPS data from my Nike+ runs and found the problem.

    In RunGap, you need to make sure that import is DISABLED for Apple's Health app. Otherwise, what happens is that RunGap uses the activity data from Health instead of the activity data from Nike+ and when you export you won't get the GPS data.

    If you click on an activity in RunGap and scroll all the way down, there should be a field called "Source" and that should say "Nike+" and not "Health".

     

    Also, I found that exporting as a TCX file from RunGap and then importing into Strava gave me more accurate data than exporting as a GPX file...I am not sure why, but the TCX file matched the activity duration and pace from Nike+ and provided more accurate elevation data. Not sure if others have had the same experience.

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  • For now I use NRC on my watch to log my workout. Then after I get back I use RunGap (on my iPhone) which syncs the NRC (Nike+) run to Strava. Works beautifully.

    @Enrique Ruiz the awesome thing about Strava is it automatically plots the elevation for your run. I guess it already has this data from the terrain maps.

    Looking forward to the new Strava app for AW2!

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