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Add support for ANT+ with Strava Android App

Has anyone tried using an ANT USB adaptor (such as the one Garmin sells) to receive ANT sensors on an Android phone? I have a Galaxy Nexus phone with Jelly Bean (4.2). It seems that if I install the ANT Radio Service and the ANT USB Service (both free from the Google Play store) I might be able to get ANT to work with my phone and hopefully the Strava app.  The description for the ANT Radio Service app lists compatible apps but Strava is not listed

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  • So has any "decisive action" been "taken by the Strava team" since the last update regarding ANT+ support?

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  • we need ANT+ support from 3 years...

    STRAVA what are you doing?

    I'll don't renew my premiun payment!

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  • I've cancelled my premium subscription too because of this - wake up Strava your response to this is pathetic.

    Endomondo here I come!

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  • Was just doing some research on using ANT+ with my Android phone using a dongle (Galaxy S3) and interfacing with your app. It is an app I honestly like and works very well, the website is simple to use and understand. I was hoping to expand upon my data so I could see exactly when and where I am gaining and losing.

    After reading this thread I am reconsidering if I will continue with Strava even as a free user. My plans were to get my sensors hooked up, test them out and then purchase a premium membership to take advantage of all the data tools provided. This thread and the answers provided by Strava has disappointed me to the point that I will be shopping a new app to spend my money at...one that includes ANT+ integration.

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  • Sorry Strava, yet another otherwise happy consumer looking to move because no ant+

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  • Email sent to Strava support:

    Hello, 


    Can you please tell me when you are finally going to include ANT+ support fit Android? Why have you taken so long? The answer that 'it isn't in your roadmap' is really NOT acceptable. If it isn't in your roadmap, why isn't it? You have supported it for years on iPhones, when though they don't have it built in to their phones, whereas so many Android phones have it built in now! Most athletes have ANT+ equipment, and don't want to replace it unnecessarily, especially as it can be connected to more than one device (Phone and watch simultaneously). So if you are simply refusing to support it, at least do is the courtesy of explaining why, properly and treat us like the intelligent human beings we are, rather than just fob us off with :it's not in our roadmap! It is ludicrous to not support the most popular standards on the most popular OS, where a large number of phones, and a growing number of phones, support the standard natively, and they can all support it through a dongle! You've supported it on inferior phones, that are less popular and don't support it natively for years, which actually beggars belief! 


    Kind regards 


    Stephanie 

    I will post their reply!
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  • Well, 1.5 years later, Android devices with Ant+ support are now the norm and this thread has seen perhaps a couple, useless replies from Strava and the support isn't there. I'd say that means they have no interest and so instead of being reminded constantly of how another company has taken the Apple position (like what we say, it's good enough because we say), I'm going to remove myself entirely (close my account). Perhaps if enough people do that, they'll at least realize that we're serious when we say that WE WANT ANT+ support. Of course, by then it won't matter because Endomondo isn't showing any signs of slowing in their evolution and support of modern, popular technology.

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  • The bad thing about going back to Endomondo is their metrics suck compared to what is available on Strava. I think instead I am going to just be working on my Garmin Connect account and maybe pick up a Garmin unit since it supports all the metrics and ANT+ with none of the BS of having to beg for it's support. 

     

     

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  • At this stage it would probably be best for people to voice their opinions on stravas facebook page.

    This forum is getting no traction at all...

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  • Just did that David, if more people could go comment on the post or post up the same type of question hopefully it would help.

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  • Hello all - 

    Thank you for posting here and letting Strava know how you feel about ANT+ for the Android app. I've routinely checked in with the mobile team on the status of this development, and always passed along your voices. 

    The Strava mobile team is firm in it's decision to continue development along the path of BTLE, or Bluetooth smart. There are no plans to pursue ANT+ in the future for our mobile app. I hope that those on this forum can understand that our team, as with many development teams, has to make tough choices and prioritize developments that we see as important for our business. 

    Your feedback is valuable and we hear it. Unfortunately for this topic, I'm not able to deliver better news. Please continue to post if you have any questions, or if I can provide any additional information. 

    -Elle

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  • Hello Elle,

    Thankyou for taking the time to write - even if it isn't the news that we might wish for it's good to know at least part of the Strava organisation is listening.  

    You refer to discussing this with the "mobile team" and/or the "development team" - I wonder though if this functionality request, and the fact that people are actively leaving Strava due to it's absence has actually reached higher up the management chain ?  Has it reached the Board ?

    I work in software development myself and have looked into the ANT+ APIs in Android - implementing this functionality is truly trivial relative to all the other work that has gone into the mobile app.  I'd be surprised if it was more than a couple of months work, including test, for two capable developers.  Surely this a small investment relative to the potential user base...

    Cheers,

    Hugh

     

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  • Thank you for acknowledging Strava's position.

    I still think (1 year later) that BTLE adoption is still very slow on Android. It will still be 1~2 more years before the majority of Android users have BTLE capable devices, I think this is a classic example of the "perfect is the enemy of the good" in product design.  You hoped that BTLE adoption would dovetail perfectly with development, but BTLE has been problematic. Meanwhile the low-hanging-fruit of ANT+ was sacrificed.  Every vendor out there making a BTLE device is also building their own Web ecosystem that will compete with Strava, you missed out on the first mover advantage of driving adoption based on existing installed base.  I still personally think that ANT+ could have a place if you built something quickly, but clearly your product team disagrees.

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  • Welp, I guess that's about as good a reason as any to jump ship. I was holding out to see what the devs had to say about it first, but Elle's response makes it pretty clear.

    BTLE sucks if water is between a sensor and the receiver. Since the human body is mostly water, it blocks reception relatively easily. ANT+ doesn't have this issue, otherwise I wouldn't have a problem using BTLE (even though I've already invested a lot in ANT+ sensors). 

    It's unfortunate, as I like the Strava mobile interface, but I can deal with the clunkiness of ipBike, given its support of ANT+, and if I've got to manually upload stuff somewhere, I'd rather use Garmin's interface as it does much better searching of training history and aggregation of data.

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  • Thanks @Hugh, I've run this by the lead mobile engineer and our head of product. I can confirm that this would not be a large project, though some amount of work is needed. The project however small or large would still need prioritization. 

    Thanks also for your comments @Tony. I completely understand your perspective. 

    I'll continue to pass along the amount of support for this thread to the higher-ups. That's all I can promise from here, and we'll go from there. 

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  • What we do understand now is that the mobile team is not capable of making good decisions and still has their collective heads in that place where the Sun don't shine. Obviously our feedback is not important and is being ignored. They really don't want Android users, seems obvious they are only interested in supporting the iphone crowd. Maybe this is the politically correct thing for them to do based on their geographical location.

    They dare not change course at this point because it would prove how idiotic their roadmap "decisions" have been, and I doubt they are capable of admitting a mistake.

    But fear not my Android bretheren, there is ipbike, which is vastly superior to any app these geniuses are capable of producing, and allows you to take full advantage of your premium account using your INDUSTRY STANDARD ANT+ devices.

    Part of the problem is that so many premium users have Garmin devices. In my riding circle most have Garmins and iphones but they use the Garmin to record rides for Strava. They are generally blown away by how ipbike does anything their Garmin will do, but their iphone loyalty keeps them from taking the leap so they continue to tote both on the bike.

    Even if they do manage to get BTLE working on android where are all the BTLE bike sensors to justify it?????

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  • It seems to me that the engineers who have developed the Strava app are pretty good, but they have no shine left due to this refusal to deliver what their customers are asking for. If the Strava app development team are so adamant that BTLE is all that's required for them to meet their bonus targets, then perhaps they need some readjustment in both targets and attitude.

     

    I'm a software engineer working on a product with many millions of dollars in worldwide sales every quarter. We listen to what our customers ask us for *especially when it comes to supporting industry standards* and deliver what they ask. Strava engineers should look at successful software companies and contrast what those companies do with what Strava is doing. Then take a look at the companies which have folded. The experience *should* be enlightening - but given the responses which Elle has relayed, I suspect it won't be.

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  • It seems to me that there has to be a way to get a statistical breakdown of source for upload by device type as each leaves a specific signature. You can just assume anyone linking their Garmin Connect account is using a Garmin device which implies ANT+ user. You should also easily be able to break it down between Droid and iOS users and which iOS users are actually using an ANT+ adapter.

    I would think with numbers in hand it would be irrefutable evidence of what the customers are using and asking for. Each of these devices leave a signature that should not be too difficult to sort and compile in a way that even the members of the board meetings could understand.

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  • Thanks for the response, Elle. Its taken me a while to figure out why Strava isn't going the ANT+ route as it seemed so obvious and fairly easy based on some comments here by developers. I was fixated on what I wanted as a user and, as such, I was only listening to what you were saying instead of what you weren't saying. Like all users who have posted in this forum, we could see the convergence of devices occurring, i.e. our mobile doing everything. The problem is, so could the manufacturers of purpose specific devices such as Garmin, Suunto, Timex, Tomtom & Soleus (these are the ones on Strava's upload page - complete with company logos). I very clearly see now that Strava has an alliance with these companies and will not compete against them in the ANT+ space and undermine their market share (perhaps they are investors in Strava - I don't know but there must be a financial aspect to it). Anyhow, your clear statement that ANT+ support is not going to happen is appreciated. We just have to accept that strategic alliances are a fact of business and any further complaining on our part is useless. But I seriously suggest the IpBike app for those who haven't investigated it yet as the best way for an Android device that has ANT+ to link direct to Strava. I'm sure Strava would agree *nudge, nudge, wink, wink* if they weren't bound by other business constraints.

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  • I'm sorry but I can't just let this "answer" from Elle go unanswered.  It's painfully clear that Strava does not have its users' best interests in mind.  Strategic alliances be damned, the app doesn't meet user requirements and so is not, in my humble opinion, worth spending money on.  I know I can use IPBike, got it installed.  I know I can use a Garmin.  I have one, but for different reasons.  The fact that Strava continues to stumble down the road less traveled, as they say, makes all the difference, though in this case, that's not a good thing.  Judging by the number of people who've spoken up in this forum, there are likely hundreds if not thousands of potential premium users, waiting with cash in hand, for you to star caring about what your users want.  I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe the only ones who care are those of us who've spoken up here.  Unlike Strava, I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it.

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  • I know the thread seems to have run its course but just saying I am another disappointed Strava user who is also voting for ANT+ HRM support.  My Garmin HRM works just fine on Android and it is a real pity STRAVA is just bluntly saying 'NO - PERIOD, GO AWAY" to those who are proposing supporting parallel alternative technology.  (What happened to 'co-opetition'?)   It would have been a fairly simple implementation to incorporate it.  Oh well, not the end of the world just a frustration to KNOW the user experience could have been taken to the next level. 

    Pieter Oosthuizen

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  • I'm sad to hear this as I finally have a phone that supports ANT+ (Note 4). Comon' Strava, it's time to listen to your customers on this and photo support!
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  • Just switch to Endomondo. There are only a couple things missing from it and you can use tapiriik.com to sync between sites if you really want to for keeping up with friends or watching segments.
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  • +1 for ANT+ support. I'm currently evaluating TACX cycling App for Android and they support ANT+ and bluetooth, no sweat. The thing is I have no interest in binning all my ANT+ accessories. The fact that Strava mobile app does not support it is not going to change my mind. Without it, the app is pretty useless for me. I'll continue to use my Garmin 800 instead.

    I'm also a endomondo user, glad to see that they embrace the mobile platform given it their full support.


    Strava is great and does not matter how much you guys threaten to leave. The fact is you won't! You are all Strava addicts. It is a bit pointless in promoting a App that is not appealing to the addicts. In business the customer is always right! Time to listen to them!

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  • Let me paraphrase strava staff: "Unfortunately, without ANT+ support for Android Strava could get off my road map."

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  • Last week I had to switch to endomondo because of the lack of ANT+ support in strava

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  • i won't be renewing my premium subscription then.  very sad/annoying call by strava.

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  • Well, I must say I was a bit surprised when my new phone came with ANT+ and Strava doesn't support it. Time to review the roadmap. Maybe where you exepcted to go 2 years ago isn;t where you should be going now. Blind loyalty to old plans ans ignoring now information is the kind of thing that helps organizations get to obsolete really really fast.

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  • Have just purchased a Sony Xperia wtih Ant+ capability. I thought this might expand my options as I look for a new computer (with speed/ cadence sensor) for my bike to link with my Strava. I guess I'll need to go Bluetooth if I want to link in.

    In your post of 15 October 2014 Elle Anderson you mentioned it wasn't a big project but needed prioritisation. I would think opening up the capability of the app rather than limiting it would be a priority. I along with everyone else here (plus I am sure many others) would like to see Ant+ as an option on Strava. When you have Cateye and other manufacturer using Ant+ rather than Bluetooth then it would make sense to include them as part of the user groups possible to use Strava.

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  • That's very frustrating but sounds typical for an Android / Java developer - if it's outside their sphere of knowledge they're not interested. Bluetooth support is there. If the correct design patterns had been adopted (say, bridge for example) it would be as simple as adding an extra implementation for connecting to ANT devices as well as bluetooth. Or is it a vendor lock-in issue?

    The "answer" is very frustrating though. Makes me happy not to be a premium user.

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