Complete a Loop Segment starting from any point

For those segments that are loops, athletes currently have to start and finish the segment at the same point as the original athlete to have their effort show up on the leader board.  

I suggest the segment creator should have the ability to designate his/her segment as a loop that can be started and finished at any point along the loop as long as that athlete completes one circuit.  

The applicability would be broad, but especially in running segments in cities that follow a similar path, but where athletes start at different places on the segment based on the athlete's home/work/point of origin.  

 

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  • If the person setup the loop to end with a hill, but someone else goes and begins with the hill with fresh legs they would have an advantage.  Really needs to be the same effort as I see it.

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  • Good point, but that's why I suggested the person creating the segment have the option as designating it a loop. For those segments that have the characteristic you suggest, it could be kept as a point to point with a fixed start and end.

    But think about Central Park, there is really only one main loop, but if you look at segments, there are literally dozens of identical segments, leaderboards and KOMs for that one loop, the only difference is the starting point.
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  • Hi Pete

     

    This is a good idea. I run a 6ml loop from my home but other runners also run it from other start points. The loop is the same gain/climb overall so I don't think it matters where you start it from. If you think there is an advantage starting from one place there is nothing to stop you starting from that point, as long as it is a loop.

    It makes sense and would allow more peoples times to be compared. You could still keep the separate KOMs for each specific start point but also have a second category comparing all the times on that loop. This would be one way to see if there was a 'best' place to start it form as if there was then it would become clear over time as the 'best' times would come from that start location.

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  • I agree. Ending on a hill is probably better since you could go anaerobic without having the lactic acid to clear during the remainder of the loop.  As we all know, going out too fast or too anaerobic early is worse than staying near threshold early during long steady efforts.  Still, would be interesting to see.  Of course we'd all have to consider safety on those longer segments and loops that include street lights, stop signs, or roundabouts.  Maybe we'd have to sign a waiver or have we already done that just by being members of Strava?

    Well Strava techs, any comments on setting this up?  It shouldn't be too difficult.

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  • I think that Loop or Out and Back segments are a good idea. Out and Back may be a better name, since the current system can be used to define geographical "loops." There is another request for this, but this thread is older.  https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/29366200-Special-designation-for-Out-and-Back-Segments-TT-Segments


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  • I'd really like to have such a loop feature!

    For instance I would like to try the tour of Paris, but only if I can start from near my home. This issue is what stops me from doing it.

    Please add such a feature to Strava :)

    Thanks

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  • If Strava wanted to be careful, it could demand that loops have less than a certain gradient.

    And sorry, "loops" are different to "out and back".

    Perhaps there should be three additional types of segment
    1) Loops (start and stop at the same point on a loop)
    2) Out and back (start and stop at the same point on a doubled line or loop)
    3) Directionless distances (start and stop at one of two points at either end of a line)

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  • I live near a lake which has about 9 obvious starting points. Given you can run either way around, that gives 18 strava segments - where only two is really needed (one for each direction). Let's reduce segment-spam.

    I support this idea.

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  • Would be great see this feature as Robert says only 2 segments needed (or even just one if you had anticlockwise and clockwise times). I know some would argue there'll be advantages depending on where you start but I'm just an average Jo wanting to encourage friends and family by comparing routes we can all ride.
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  • I just wrote Strava about this exact feature.  I run a trail loop where I live and there are many spots people can start or finish the common marked loop.  Having the ability to mark it as a "loop" would allow anyone to start and finish anywhere on the loop.  Also, a check box denoting both clockwise and counter-clockwise could effectively cover running/riding it in both directs.

    Regarding the concern about people starting on an easier part of the loop ... well start from wherever you want ... 

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  • This is an awesome idea!

    Many times I had to create a separate loop segment instead of using an existing segment simply because the existing segment doesn't start where I normally start (but I still want to be able to track my time on the loop, and compare to others' times).

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  • Would also like to see this, especially for running ...

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  • Hi, it seems this post is stopped!
    Today while riding my bike was thinking that we have a segment in our area that connects different villages cycling and everyone begins where live but ended up doing the same and it would be very interesting to compare the different results!
    I hope more people interested and the function is added to Strava!

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  • The idea is great- we need to generate some interest and support for it so if you get copied into this message why not forward the link to your other strava mates. There needs to be a body of support before the tech people will incorporate the idea into the app.

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  • Yeah, this is something I'd like to see too....

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  • That is exactly what I'm looking for. The ability to create a loop/circuit and have more people being able to compete with me since anyone can join at any point, and as long as they complete it.

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  • This is a much needed feature/option to be able to start on a course/loop without creating even more segments. One of our mountain bike trails has three trailheads, you end up riding the same loop. There's no clear advantage to any one of the starting locations over the others. To have STRAVA recognize it as a COURSE and allow starting at any point would be great. 

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  • Continuous loop segment is a great idea! I'm a cyclist and some of the mtb lake trails suffer from segment spam. 

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  • Some loops have SO many tiny segments it's as if someone looks at their ride and picks out their best 20 yard effort. A minimum distance for any segment would be a nice add. But I'd be much more excited to see the LOOP option added (doesn't matter where you start on it).

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  • This idea is good for flat loops only. Any serious elevation change on a loop would make it invalid to compare efforts started at different points.

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  • "This idea is good for flat loops only. Any serious elevation change on a loop would make it invalid to compare efforts started at different points."

    I think you'd want two loops total, one for each direction of travel. That would negate the elevation issue.

    Example: On a local mtb trail, there would only be one as it's a directional loop.

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  • I tend to disagree about where you start as I suspect it will have relatively little effect on the time. Since it is a loop all runners or riders have to complete the same distance and height gain no matter where they start from. If there was an advantage then it would show in the times and anyone wanting a good time could then start at the perceived best place if they wanted. There would need to be a clockwise and and anticlockwise version on most routes but other than that I don't think there needs to be any specifics.

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  • To give you a contr-argument, let's say there is a segment where you climb a hill and then run down. According to your logic it should be the same to start from the top, run down first, then climb the hill. Do you believe times would be the same?

    My personal experience is that I can run down with nearly the same speed when I am tired, but climbing speed drops significantly. For me it is always faster to start with a climb.

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  • This function is really a must have. At my living there is a loop, with about 16 start/stop points. There now 16 rankings with All 50 people, wich could Be one ranking with really someone who is The fastest of All.

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  • @stanislav thats why The owner always have to make The desicion if its a loop track or not.

    Some times hard wind Can also affect your results, my expirience is that I run and bike faster with wind from behind.

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  • I think this is a great option to have on a loop.  It doesn't have to be the only segment.  People can still set segments starting at and ending at one place and have leaderboards based on that AND have an overall loop leaderboard.  Its not either or.

    Runners like challenges.  Perhaps the challenge becomes finding the best start point on the loop to run the fastest loop.  Some might like the climbing early and others may like climbing portions in the middle, etc.

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  • A loop segment feature needs to happen.  There are a lot of loops out there that we all ride and it would be nice to be able to just enter the loop and start your effort.  I cannot imagine it would be that difficult of a function/tool to create.

     

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  • Most of marked MTB trails in my area are loops. Last year we have organized competition on one of them, 30 km long. Two segments were created, clockwise and counterclockwise, with START=END at single point. People who lived nearby official START point had obvious advantage. To count people who completed the loop, but started elsewhere we have created additional several segments along the route. 

    Obviously, loop-segments is a must for this kind of activity. I strongly support such an idea. 

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  • I love the idea of a loop segment option and feel this would be relatively easy and straightforward to create.

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  • This feature would be amazing. There are so many park loops in London where you have to start from a specific gate.

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