Segment Leaderboards

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  • I would love to be able to add a 'run up' to a segment and a 'run down' to make segments safer. To illustrate: One of my segments is safe and only contains bike lanes. However, to get the best times some riders leave the bike lane running up to the segment to cut a corner and increase the starting speed. The bike line makes a turn just after the segment but the 'kom hunters' leave the lane to prevent braking early. Altering the segment didn't help because they still think that braking ruins the segment, adding the corners makes it dangerous. If a 'run down' can be added everyone going for a personal best or KOM must take the corner.

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  • Is there a way to remove or hide "Last Week's Leaderboard" and only showcase "This Week's"? 

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  •  
    There is still no effective way to dismiss a 'live segment' once it is tracking. If you press Hide you are taken back to the feed, but record takes you back to the live tracking. If a popular segment goes 'live' before the one you have starred you will have to turn back/off the route as there is no way to dismiss then after they have started without stopping your recording. It is possible to dismiss only if you catch it in the 5 seconds it might be on the screen before going live, but if you aren't looking down it is too late. This an annoying timewaster trying to get off the tracking without having to break up you recording so you can get back to the segment you are actually interested in.
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  • I would consider paying for Strava if they separated the seasons. As per Mental mikes comment above our local trails top 30 are dominated by people riding fat bikes or e-bikes now. The trail system is full of punchy technical short climbs and roots and rocks that just turn into a speed way in the winter when the snow flattens everything out. Personally until Strava fixes this I have no interest in paying for it and if there was another app that did this I would just switch to that app.

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  • Running segments: the new/improved mobile maps/segments "feature" needs some serious improvement. I live near a small forest with a main track and a number of side / interconnecting tracks. there are segments in both directions on every track, sometimes multiples. the main one would be used multiple times every day, dozens on the weekend, sometimes by groups of 10-30 runners at a time. the segments have been there for a few years now, so there would be perhaps 1000 or more runs recorded per year on some.

    all this makes me wonder why premium account cannot "discover" any of these segments - not a single one - not even the ones where i'm on the leader board or am the local legend. there's a big blank spot on the map, an area surrounded by discoverable segments. others on free accounts can see perhaps 3 segments, and sometimes one or none when they zoom into places where there are only a handful of segments.

    why can't segments that are used less than those in the off screen surroundings be seen on the map? what's the point of keeping them secret?

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  • Tony Poole Actually, Strava is today able to detect that you are riding in group, it's already shown in your activity.

    But Strava is neither universal or Mandatory. I often ride with friends who are not on Strava. How Strava would detect that I'm riding in group?

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  • Hey Quick Rick! Thank you for taking the time to put together such detailed feedback - I will definitely pass this along to our Product Team for consideration in regard to the overall fairness of our segment leaderboards. In the meantime, I'd like to kindly reiterate that recumbent bikes are allowed to be used with the Ride activity type. You can find this clarification in our community segment leaderboard guidelines: 

     

    Guidelines for motorized and non-traditional bicycles:

    The Ride activity type is for conventional human-powered bicycles (including recumbents) riding outdoors. Do not use this activity type if your activity includes data recorded while driving a car, motorcycle, pacing a vehicle, using an electric bike, or another electric-assisted vehicle, using a non-traditional bicycle with full-farings or aerodynamic modifications including velomobiles, or using a GPS simulator program for virtual riding. 

    https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919507-Segment-Leaderboard-Guidelines

     

    However, at this time, we ask that athletes who use velomobiles and handcycles continue to use the specified activity type. As mentioned, we appreciate the feedback on how these two activity types are reflected in your profile statistics and will pass this along for future improvements! Thanks!

     

    Hi Shivam Shah! As many of your fellow athletes have suggested, you can create segments that account for any part of your activity. Because segment data is based on GPS, you will need to create your reverse segment that reflects that specific, directional GPS data - it is not possible to just run or ride an existing segment in the opposite direction. If it helps, here is a resource describing the segment creation process: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216918157-Create-a-Segment. Thanks!

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  • Hi Steve Tucker - this is indeed the case now and glad you enjoy! Happy crown hunting! 

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  • https://support.strava.com/hc/fr/profiles/711597680-Varun-P-  thank you for your reply.


    As https://support.strava.com/hc/fr/profiles/1487453724-Ian-Barton and other point it out GPS Drift and poor device quality are a problem. He demonstrate the value of better crafted segment for the community (more attempts) and I guess it should also reduce fostering bad GPS devices (generally errors adds-up ! A bad pattern to be matched + a loosely defined trace => Random results !). And...prove that community members of good will,  want to --and can-- find solutions !

    Note as you mentioned "For example, if you have a road and a trail closely alongside it, and there are segments for both but the majority of people take the road, you could end up "averaging" out the trail segment towards the road." 
    An algorithm that would blindly average trace around a segment could...a smarter algorithm testing the possibility of a mixture a N segment, may do better....but a community of involved athlete would benchmark the only segment needing to be benchmarked ! Then you should obtain a much better results. I mean it s mostly a question of organising thing to prevent problematic segment to be created ! Concerning the "heritage", I understand things are a tad bit trickier (At least, in the case of the track and the road where the model averaging fall short.....I am not convinced that the 2 original Segment really create no matching problem at all. If not...there should be a larger variance around your average point..nothing that a mixture model couldn't fix).

    Really, I encourage you to think about taking advantage of the strava community, at least allow us to help in getting annoyance fixed. With all that being said, thank you for your prompt answers, it's much appreciated, I am eager to see if, in a way, we have helped you getting some annoyance fixed. (You have a pretty good record of improvement lately, congrats and just keep that pace !)
    Cheers

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  • There should differentiators between road bikes, MTB’s and eBikes. Each discipline should have own crown and leader board, and yes we can still an overall leaderboard and crown.

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  • Hi.
    One more for mtb category !
    It s more difficult than before to find good segments with strava.
    It will be great to have possibility to write information or a segment description : single track, easy, technical,... And a value of the segment.
    Thanks

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  • This is amazing, and the first proactive comment I've ever heard from Strava on the issue, much appreciated.

    In your laundry list of items above, please ensure you put some thought to mountain bike DH shuttle and/or lift riders - they don't give a hoot about uphill times, but forget to turn on and off GPS's.  The activity should have a reasonably easy auto detect on partial activity exclusions.

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  • I think the automatic assuming it's an e bike is too drastic.  A user should be able to set their default ride type.  Many people have the capacity to regularly get KOM's.  A better solution would be to use algorithms to detect e-bikes - heart rates that never rise above moderate, a pace that stays steady on hills and flats, what % the prior KOM was beat by, realistic VAM ranges, etc.  Their signature should be easy to detect.

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  • Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen!

    I would like to ask you the following question and be glad if you can answer it!

    Sometimes although I make a PB in a segment, strava keeps my previous record when I have look on the leaderboard!

    Do you happen to know why is this so?

    thank you in advance!

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  • Mary The _. - The only reason I can think of would be if the more recent efforts that were a PB were marked as "Private".  If they are private, they won't show up in the leaderboards for segments or challenges.  Other than that, it may just be that the segment database hasn't properly refreshed yet to show your more recent effort.  One thing you could try would be to open the segment detail page where it shows the map and leaderboard.  On the top right (at least for the web verson) there is a little arrow down with the word "Actions" next to it.  Click on that and then click on "Refresh My Results".  I don't think there is an option for this from the mobile app, so you will need to log in from a computer to try.

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  • Thank you indeed for your help and your replies. It was finally fixed and the leaderboard was refreshed after some time. Your comments were helpful indeed. Keep on training, guys!

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  • Hi. Is it possible to put a time limit to a segment. Our segment is changing a lot trough the year, and the track we start with isn´t the same next summer.

    Best regard Tommy

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  • Michał K. -indeed, Tom Benzaia is correct. Segment Leaderboard updates are still delayed. You can always check the status on https://status.strava.com/ and even get notified about updates. Apologies for the inconvenience.

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  • I would like to be able to toggle leaderboards for my youth cycle club's age brackets, under 5, 5-7, 7-9. 9-11, 11-13, 13-15, 15-17, 17-19. This is not available and they all get thrown in with the under 19s, which hardly seems fair. Can we have more age groups, please?

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  • Hey @Jim 🚒 (⚙️Mag7)

    Thanks for your comment regarding age brackets. As per our Terms of Service, we do not allow Strava accounts for children under the age of 13. You can read them here: https://www.strava.com/legal/terms

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  • I want to be able to filter segment leaderboards to see only records with power data. 
    I've found that this is a simple way to filter out unrealistic/fake/wrong records and keep track of how I'm performing against higher quality data. 

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  • @Soren, without wanting to be pedantic, in Strava terms it states "The Services are intended solely for persons who are 13 years old or such higher age required in your country to use the Services."
    Intention and requirement are quite different things.
    How about having age brackets for under 14, under 16, and under 18, if you don't want to promote the platform's use to under 13s?
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  • I don't have the time to read all the comments so forgive me if this has been discussed before. I'm pleased to see they are now a sub group for E bikes in terms of KOM's, etc. However there's quite a difference in the equipment that doesn't make the segment performance is equal. The majority of us are running either Class-1 (pedal-assist only up tp 20mph) or Class-3 (pedal assist only up to 28mph). There are some who basically look like they are running a full blown motor cycle with pedal assist (e.g. the current KOM on my usual commute home...se enclosed image). I don't know if there's any workable way around this given the complexity of trying to categorize everything that everyone is riding, but it would be nice to know how one's performance compares to anyone else who's getting the same degree of maximum assist. This case is complicated as different classes in motorsports based on displacement and power output.

     

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  • William O. Richard S

    Seeing how fast a group rolls through affects a small number of segments.  Some find it of value to compare themselves to pros rolling through.  You can already sort by time periods to exclude events, or by age or weight if that's a person's reason for being less than first.

    We don't need 3rd place medals, this isn't kindergarten where everyone gets one.

    Perhaps a 2nd place list for each rider, so you can see where you need to hone your efforts to become first.

     

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  • William O. I take your point and I have no objection to being able to filter out such leaderboards, but I would not like to see them deleted from the top 10 as they all earned the rides.

    I do think it would be nice if you could see all of your own top 10's because as it stands I cannot remember most of them and being able to see them would probably make me go after a few of them.

    I guess we all have our own preferences, for me local legends is pointless and I don't know anyone who cares about it, I think Strava are struggling to come up with anything better then chasing segments which is of course great fun and one of the main attractions.

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  • I have a feature request specific to the mobile app Starred Segments list (not necessarily relating to leaderboards, but this is the most relevant thread I could find)

    In the iOS app, if I go to my Profile -> Segments, I can see all of my starred segments. However, there's no way to find a specific segment or sort the list in any way. So if I have a lot of starred segments, it becomes very difficult to navigate. I recommend a search bar at the top to search by segment name, at the very least (or even better, some filters to narrow down by activity type, distance, elevation, etc, similar to the filters in the Profile -> Activities list view)

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  • Lewis Cavanagh

    Leaderboards aren't fitness measures, use TrainingPeaks or the like for that.

    They are to measure the fastest time across a segment.

    William O.

    KOM's are hard to earn and pride inducing.  I'd just like to see adequate algorithms to help police them from e-bikes.  I don't believe the system needs to be re-jigged beyond that.  Not everyone is going to have a KOM or even be close, they are hard to earn.

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  • Why only allow filtering the segment leader boards by "All" or "Women". Why not "Men" too? I've gotten top ten trophies before on segments that are apparently relative to men, not overall. But sometimes the segment is dominated by women so I can't even see how far I am off the (male) person ahead, or faster than the one behind.

    It used to be there years ago so I guess is now a paid feature? Seems like an odd thing to move behind a paywall.

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  • I would like if Strava segregated and displayed leaderboards according to each rider's metering equipment and/or account settings configuration.  The most serious riders are going to be equipped with both a power meter and a heart rate monitor.  So, those riders would get their own leaderboard, which would probably be seen as the most "legitimate" one, since achievements are fully metered, and could be verified by software for legitimacy—similarly to how it works in Zwift racing.

    There would also be an unmetered leaderboard for achievements attained where either power or heart rate data was missing—or while sitting in a car.  (Example: https://www.strava.com/activities/4541999752#2779544189909093398 ) Achievements that are metered, but which deviate wildly from the metrics of the ride (perhaps due to technical glitches) could be automatically relegated to the unmetered leaderboard by software, since it is possible that the achievement itself was legitimate, even though the metering was off.  E-bike riders could also get their own leaderboard, though it may be a bit hard to see the purpose of that.

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  • What can be done if I suspect an account, or activity is bogus? When flagging a suspected ride comes back at me that the activity in question has already been resolved. I'm looking at overall high speeds for a segment, vs. average power, and calories burned in a ride. Also, HR zones. They should all kinda add up to what a hard effort looks like, but when high speeds on chunky rocky mountain bike terrain are 10+ mph faster than 2nd place, and the average power is way lower, and you spent the majority of the ride in HR Z5, but you still smashed a bunch of KOM's it just seems fishy to me. What is looked at by Strava when flagging a ride is disputed and the activity cleared? Also, the account in question follows zero and has zero followers. 

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