Segment Leaderboards

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  • Johnny Mawer

    Yes, similar issues here. I've tried reporting the duplicate account, but Strava don't seem to care.

     

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  • Johnny Mawer I assume it is because he is recording his rides on 2 devices ? ie using his bike computer and the Strava app on his phone, or perhaps a sports watch ? So the activity gets recorded twice. If so then the only option I know of is to flag one of his activities. A couple of months ago I noticed someone with an incredible result in just a few days of a distance challenge, on looking at his rides I saw that he had used his Edge 830, his Forerunner watch and his phone app to get triple the distance total. So I flagged all his activities as duplicates.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux - I flagged one of his activities that shows the duplicate entry.  When I drill down I see the only listed device as a Garmin Edge 530 on both entries.

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  • Johnny Mawer - After seeing the other replies, I realized I misinterpreted what you said originally a bit.  Flagging the activities is still a good option to remove duplicate files from Strava just as a general practice, but it appears that what you are seeing in this case is someone with duplicate accounts altogether.  If it were just duplicate recordings for the same account like I had originally assumed (incorrectly), they would still show up just one time on the leaderboard since each account can only hold one spot on a leaderboard at a time.  Since you are seeing the person listed twice on each leaderboard with the same times, then what is likely happening is they have two separate Strava accounts and are uploading the same file to each of them every time.  This definitely requires a contact with Strava Support.  I would strongly suggest using the "submit a request" link at the bottom center of this page to submit a support request on the subject.  Strava technicians can go in and remove or restrict duplicate accounts.  

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  • Sorry if I'm being stupid but . . . the format of group leaderboards seems to have changed.

    It used to show total distance, longest single distance, average speed, and total vertical ascent, all of which I found interesting.

    It now seems to have changed to just show total ride time, total swim time, total run time etc, no mention of distance, speed, or ascent.

    Is this just a setting that I've selected by accident ? If yes, how do I reverse it ? I've looked but can't find it. If it's not something that I can re-configure, please can we have the old style back ?

    Thank you . . .

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  • I'm not sure if this is the correct place to put this but here goes; Can we please merge the Segments for biking and E-biking? I'm not suggesting merging the leaderboards because obviously that wouldnt be fair, what I mean is that the segments are still the same. I have a regular pedal bike and an E-bike and it's a pain in the butt having to create new segments for all of the existing segments that have already been created on the biking part of Strava. I would like to be able to compare my efforts between the two sports and against my friends regardless of whether I am on an E-bike or bike. Surely it wouldnt be hard to just copy-paste or merge the two databases of segments? Again, I'm not saying we should merge the leaderboards, but the two sports shouldn't be so separated. On the descents there isnt much difference between a bike or E-bike and it would be cool to see the two leaderboards side by side. It feels like segregation between those who ride bikes and those who ride E-bikes. 

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  • Please don’t segregate Ebikes from regular bikes. I understand that the leaderboards need to be separate but the segments themselves should be the same. I’ve been biking for years and making segments or using existing segments in Strava but now I have an ebike and all of the segments I have created and the wealth of other existing segments are gone. The ebike side of Strava is incredibly bare. Almost every time I go for a ride I have to create new segments. This is ridiculous. Ebikes are not an all new sport they are just a variation of bikes and should have the same segments. I think it would also be useful for the leaderboards to be somewhat integrated such as having “All Time”, “All Time Ebike” so you can compare times side by side. I can’t even see my friends times to compare with my own. This needs to be fixed ASAP. It’s really destroying my interest in Strava if I can’t compare with my friends or even compare with my own times on a regular bike (I still own both) on a segment.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux I would think maybe a button you could click that says snow vs dirt maybe. Anything would be nice instead of having the top 50 riders being riders in the snow on our local trails.

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  • It would be a very good addition if we could filter the winter month from the summer. Since fatbike is a completely different sport, the downhill sections are most of the time faster than in summer and vice-versa for the climb. It creates some bizarre leaderboard were all the fastest time are in winter. The exact opposite is also true for the climbs...

     

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  • Hi community, as many people said already i would love to see a MTB category; personally, in the area where i live there is a lot of off-road and tarmac routes, which make me prefer the MTB, but, compared to all road cycle bikers, my effort is (obviously) different, and i'm usually very slow compared to them.

    What i ask is to finally see a MTB category, so i can compare my tarmac performance with all people on the same boat of me.

    Thank you in advance!

    Diego

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  • Erik Bakke the segment you shared is a virtual segment from a virtual ride. Virtual activity should not be flagged if it is correctly identified as a virtual activity. Here is more information about flagging Virtual Trainer Activities: https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919587-Virtual-Trainer-Activities-on-Strava#flagging

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  • Troy - mark your old rides as private is one way.

     

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  • I think it's a pity that there is no indication of the age in the ranking of the segments. When you are 40/50/60 years old and you manage to appear in the top 25, I think it is an achievement and deserves to be highlighted. There should be an additional field for age in the ranking line. Also, in the segment presentation, the best times and names by age category should be shown.

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  • Segments Leaderboard to factor in the type of bicycle we are using..

    I only ride an MTB and while commuting I mostly use tarmac roads. The downside of this is that I am nowhere on the leaderboards because they're all TT bike times. It's important to me that I can thoroughly understand my fitness compared with other riders on MTB and not road bikes or TT bikes.

    Furthermore, certain singletracks I ride are only metres from the roads and it is impossible for an MTB to achieve KOM/QOM on these segments because of road bikes.

    Please add the type of bike to the leaderboard so we can more fairly reach achievements.

    Thanks!

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  • It can indeed be frustrating if you are trying to make the top ten on a leaderboard.  While I'm not sure anything can be done about groups or e-bikes, I personally don't think that it's too much to ask the Strava algorithm to do better at eliminating bogus results.  One example:  the top fifty for one segment that I ride is coming out of a parking lot where people obviously forgot to turn off Strava at the end of their ride.  Those top fifty speeds are more than or equal to what a pro peloton could do in the last km of a stage sprint finish.  It would be easy for an algorithm to eliminate all of these, especially if there was a way to report the problem to Strava.  Who has the time to flag fifty bogus segments?  Finally, given all the problems with bad data, I've settled on competing with myself as the best use of marked segments.  I got a #2 overall trophy this weekend, but I was in a group with a strong tailwind.  You're never going to eliminate this kind of thing, other than saying, e.g., that 40 mph is unreasonable on a flat segment, while 30 mph is not.

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  • Hi, I'm just asking for one thing. The most popular segment in my city - Road To Tskaltubo - does not show up on the map. If you could somehow put in on the map, that would be great.

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  • I really believe that tagging your gear as an e-bike would solve most of the problems.

    @Jason Lamoreaux oh, thanks, didn’t even notice the ebike option :D

    I don’t use Garmin and my device doesn’t have an ebike option. The device posts my activities automatically so I don’t manually check my every ride later and start edit them.

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  • Cesar Corral 🇪🇸, John Moreci 🇺🇸, - Your comments about the forum layout would probably be better fit into the "Forum Feedback" section.  this section is focused on comments regarding Segment Leaderboards.  I agree that the format isn't all that great, but there is a place specifically set up to bring those issues up.

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  • Yes - wholeheartedly agree with Bryan! I wrote a similar suggestion a year ago. 

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  • While I appreciate that the e-bike issue has finally been addressed - by adding e-bike as an activity type. I don't understand why there are so many more segments for regular bikes. I completed an activity and before I changed the activity type there were 23 segments, after converting to e-bike there were only 8. Why would the segments not carry over to e-bike, just with a different leaderboard. Fairly disappointed that this was implemented without the work that has already been put in by many in building up all these segments. 

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  • I'm a little disappointed not to get any feedback from Strava in response to my comment of 4 May in which I questioned the apparent increase in the minimum length of a bike segment from 300 metres to 500 metres.  I haven't seen any comments from users requesting such a change so I wonder why it has been done.  In my area there has been a lot of good competition over Segments of 300 to 500 metres so it would be a shame if no more such Segments can be created.  I also wanted to recently update a Segment I had created a while ago - it's about 450 metres and with hindsight it finishes a little too close to a junction, however, I can no longer make it a little shorter (and hence safer) because of the new limit.

    People have commented that there is a loss of measurement accuracy with shorter segments - this is no doubt true, however, with most GPS measurements being at 1 sec intervals the inaccuracy should be only 2-3 %.  This sort of variation is much less than arises from variations in tail (or head) winds.  A tail wind of only about 4 mph would have a greater effect that typical GPS uncertainty over a short segment yet I don't see a rush to flag any efforts with such a tail wind as "wind assisted".

    Hence I ask again for Strava to please revert the minimum bike segment length to the previous 300 metre limit (or at least provide some explanation for the change). 

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  • Ola Carmonius

    So you're saying that you want to be able to contact a Segment creator so you can ask them to change their Segment to something you prefer ?  If there's a Segment you don't like (perhaps because it's a duplicate or badly created) can't you simply hide it ? - that way you won't see it again and you should no longer be irritated by it. 

    I just checked and in my Strava cycling career I've attempted about 5,400 Segments and I'm currently hiding about 300, which seems a modest percentage.

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  • Alex Dimitriou

    Hi Alex - I like the idea of local moderators who would proactively improve the quality of Segments in their area.  However, I'm thinking the practicalities of doing this would not be trivial.  For example...

    • There are about 32 million Strava segments - would you try to appoint local owners for all of them or only those with x% of overlap ?
    • Would the local owners have the power to edit and delete Segments created by others or is their role to engage with Segment creators to discuss and agree suitable changes ? (I would be unhappy if a local owner unilaterally edited or removed one of the Segments I have created without my involvement)
    • Rather than editing or deleting things, the local owners could perhaps "validate" Segments and users have an option to filter things to only show the "validated" Segments ? 
    • How would the local owners be appointed ?  The Local Legends might seem suitable as they supposedly have the most local knowledge.  What if the Local Legend changes and different people have different ideas ?  What if 2 overlapping Segments have different Legends ? I think there has not been much engagement with the concept of Local Legends and many people may have such designations without being aware of it (I just had a look at my Local Legend tab for the first time and I'm surprised to see I am a Local Legend for 300 Segments !).

     

    Am I right in thinking that if a minimum proportion of Athletes hide a Segment, for whatever reason, then that Segment will be hidden by default for new users ?  Hence if experienced users continue to hide the duplicates they don't like then the overall quality of the Segments would improve for new users (with less visible duplication)  People could still unhide Segments if their preferences are different to those of average users.  If this is the case then encouragement of collective hiding would help hide duplicates for new users and minimise confusion.

    Overall I think delegating more authority to local owners could become rather complex and although well intentioned, it could be difficult to implement in a way that doesn't confuse or upset average users.  Maybe there are other ways of achieve the same (or similar) end result ?  It might be useful to get feedback from Strava developers.

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  • I have seen lots of comments about such things as GPS tolerances and their impact on leaderboards.  One of the factors that significantly affects performance is wind speed and direction.  From my own experience I estimate that each 1 mph of wind speed affects speed by about 1% (does anyone have more informed research on the subject ?).  Hence with only a modest tailwind it's possible to significantly move up a leaderboard.

    In Track and Field athletics records are only accepted for relevant events if the wind speed is less than 2 m/s (about 4 mph).  Most (but not all) of my bike Activities show wind speed and direction as recorded by Strava so it would be possible to estimate the relevant wind component for each Segment.  Perhaps any performances on a leaderboard with wind assistance above some agreed threshold could be flagged as "wind assisted" with filters available to identify only performances without excessive wind assistance.

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  • Wes Morgan I'm just saying if people can ride in group rides and get a kom or use a tt bike or other aero bike why cant i use my velomobile? Its essentially an aero bike. Its still under my own power not like im assisted. Also your whole if you dont like it then get one attitude is kinda my point. If you dont like that i can beat a segment on a velomobile then get one. And the whole weight thing strava asks for your bike weight already whether or not ur honest about it is a different story. But my point there was you can expect somebody on a 25lb bike to beat somebody on a climb using a 13lb bike for the same wattage unless of course the rider weight made them equal which strava also asks for and tracks as well as you height. So strava would know if somebody was below their height weight standards. This all depends on the honor system for the individual to put in the correct info. But as far as "conventional" bikes. Thats not a definition of what they consider conventional. Conventional is an opinion. If a rider has only used recumbents, thats a conventional bike to them, of a rider has only used velomobiles then a velomobile is a conventional bike to them, just like how you ride a diamond frame bike and that may be a conventional bike to you. But my point is strava discriminating against handicapped persons as well by excluding them from leaderboards with handicycles, recumbents and velomobiles. These bikes are adaptive meaning they can be configured to make somebody with physical disibilities more comfortable to ride. Which is also an ada issue when it comes to stores denying them entry into their stores ecause its a bicycle, but its not just a bicycle its a way for disabled people to ride again. Which honestly imo if its considered a bike by law that is 100% under your own individual power (unassisted) regardless of it's design it should be allowed on the leaderboards. I would like to see strava either relax the policy or make it more restrictive so that group riders, tt bikes, racers cant qualify for the segments or mileage either. But i dont think you uderstand what happens wen u put a ride in as a velomobile on strava. You know the monthly strava distance, climbing, etc cycling challenges they put out? Well a velomobile ride counts as 0 miles towards any of that. Heck even ebike rides count towards that. But a velomobile means nothing. To strava its not even a bike. Not to mention if you have a recumbent ive been riding my recumbent for the past year and had no idea recumbents were in a restricted category and it never mattered to anybody. Now that i have a velomobile which is just a faired recumbent trike now everybody wants to have an issue because its different and its faster than them. Well guess what i made segments and hold koms with my road bike that i still cant beat with my velomobile. And others still hold koms on routes that i cant beat with my velomobile or road bike. But i have been doing a lot of training over the past year all thru the winter as well to be faster and ride further in preparation for me to one day compete in the tabr and raam races. All the bikes i use can be used in those races.

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  • I am amazed by the number of people worried by rankings of a sport activity not supervised by a referee. There are cheaters everywhere... why should we care about the rankings?

    The only ranking I found interesting is where I can select who make part of it. People I know/trust.

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  • Erik Bakke

    As I have tried to make clear, I am totally in agreement that KOMs should be hard to earn. The current system is fine. For now.

    However Richard has a valid point, some segments are already out of reach because a pro level group has gone through. An individual cyclist, no matter how good they are, cannot compete on a level playing field. This segment is now effectively dead.

    Eventually this will happen to all reasonable routes. Eventually the segment leaderboards feature will become entirely pointless. Every reasonable segment will become static and unchanging. When this happens Strava's biggest selling point is gone.

    The only thing up for debate, is what kind of time period we are talking about. If it's a thousand years, who cares, right? But Strava is growing exponentially, a third of data was uploaded just in the last year. As you said earlier, currently this only affects a small number of segments, but that can only increase and it will increase a lot faster than most people think.

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  • Erik Bakke

    Absolutely, but what I am concerned about is (and the example that Richard gave) when a large group goes through. In this scenario you can't even touch the 10th trophy, you can't even get on the first page.

    I've made this exact point several times. Having a single pro go by and take the odd KOM isn't a problem, in fact it's kind of cool seeing your name next to his. Wiping out any chance of even getting a trophy is another matter.

    As you say, there are keen cyclists who can't chase down a pro peloton, but they are still achievers. All I am suggesting is that Strava recognise these genuine achievements.

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  • SOLO FILTER

     I would like to request a Leaderboard filter in the same manner as “People I’m Following” is implemented except with segment times for Solo rides only instead.  In other words, if I select “Solo Riders,” if filters out all times set during group rides.  This allows a comparison of segment times without the benefit of drafting.  This should be achievable by filtering out times that are set on the same date within a set time window.  So if there is a group ride with 10 riders, and these 10 riders are together when setting a segment time on x date within y time, they are excluded from the Leaderboard list when this filter is selected.  I’m not asking to replace KOM holders, only asking to see times under comparable non-drafting conditions.  This is a benefit to many riders who train/ride solo.  Thank you for providing a forum to submit ideas!

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  • I think that the constant e-bike issues could be solved in two steps. At least most of them...

    1) in My gear e-bike should be a bike Type

    2) exclude e-bikes from the normal KOM and what have you statistics and maybe have their own KOM stats.

    I sometimes ride my e-bike and I must admit that I am way too lazy to login to Strava after every e-bike ride and go through the hassle of editing the settings so that the ride wouldn't be visible in the stats. The easiest solution is to have the bike categorized as an e-bike and you don't need to go and check your privacy settings after every ride.

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