Achievements: personal records, top 10, XOMs, best efforts, etc.

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  • Season's best please.  Just as you had it in 2015: https://blog.strava.com/new-year-new-achievements-9125/

    It's not possible to get any sort of PB on any of my regular rides.  a) I've cycled them all in every storm windy situation, way beyond even my peak fitness b) I am getting older, not younger, I'll never get back to previous fitness c) coming out of injury or some other break.  For all those scenarios there's no motivation around current fitness levels.  Really, it would be better if I started a new Strava profile, but why should I have to?

    Other things do pop up from time to time and I'm sure they're well meaning, but nothing makes more sense to me than doing a segment faster this week than I did last week, while also forgetting that years ago I once did it in half the time.

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  • Hi Strava: 
    For some reason You no longer make a notification if I loos a QOM. I have seen something about not sending notifications if the segment is bellow 0% .
    1) Why ? Makes no sense. Ophil-downhill-segments or segments starting-and-ending same place is very good training-tools and a great motivation - This is the MAIN reason i subscribe.

    2) You dont make notifikations on lost QOM/KOMs abowe 0% either - so ... reconsider this - it does not work !
    3) You have chosen not to send the above notifications in order not to send irrelevant notifications - but stil - I am spammed with notifications and emails about Local Legends - which I do not care for.
    Get those notifications on KOM/QOM's back please !!!

    Best regards
    Jeannie

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  • It would be nice to have a few more race distances available under All Time PRs. There are a number of popular road race and collegiate cross country race distances not currently included like the 8K and 5 Mile. I don't know if this feature would be better as completely customizable where any race distance could be created as a PR or if simply adding a more comprehensive list of race distances would be able to accommodate better personal record tracking.

    I also think that in their current form, Estimated Best Efforts are not as clear of a data point as they could be. Unfortunately, they are often linked to activities containing some kind of data glitch in which incorrect satellite data is projecting a perhaps ambitious estimated best time at a certain distance. A solution might include the ability to self confirm if a best effort pace is associated with an activity that was recording accurate data. I realize this one is a tougher bug to fix as the variability of GPS data will always be difficult to pin down with complete accuracy.

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  • https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360073560211/comments/360013097011

    Group rides should be separate on leaderboards to solo rides. It is totally demotivating to achieve a QOM/KOM to have it smashed by a rider sat doing nothing in a fast moving group. Anyone can sit in a pack and draft!!

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  • Emma Frost - I understand what you are saying, but there is no realistic way to determine whether someone was part of a "group ride" or riding solo in a lot of cases.  Strava's determination of a "group ride" is terrible.  I have been shown as riding "with" other people that I never saw a single time during the ride, I just happened to ride a similar route at near the same time.  Same thing for races.  I've been a little ahead of the pack, clearly not getting any drafting help from the group, yet I was close enough to them that most things would consider my ride to be part of a "group ride".  So, essentially, the only way to get a good determination of what a "group ride" is would need each person to tag that in their upload which isn't going to happen.  Heck, most people don't bother to even go back into Strava after a ride at all, just relying on the auto-upload/sync options from their devices.  

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  • Strava - why are you not adding a Top 10 tab beside KOM (or just replace Local Legends tab - NO ONE CARES!). The most upvoted post up here (currently 119 upvotes) from 2020 - nearly 2 years ago - states clearly that a Top 10 tab beside KOM would be hugely appreciated, but Strava has not done anything to make that happen that we can tell. This would be simple - currently athletes have to save segments we think we have Top 10'd on which is absurd & cumbersome since Strava has all the data & could easily set this up.  

    Does anyone work here?  

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  • Thank you for your great work.  I find that there are running segments where people were bike riding, beating world records; or bike segments where people were in their cars and forgot to turn off their Strava recording, again beating world records at 90 bpm or at 100 watts, probably without being aware, and nothing happens.  There are also e-bikers breaking records or setting times in the same leaderboards as users of non-e-bikes.

    This unnecessary noise makes segments less useful, harder to read or interpret, and takes away unnecessarily from Strava.

    I value the community-driven spirit Strava aims for. That seems to work pretty well to share rides, share challenges, keep accountability, and even marketing.  But flagging other people's mistakes does not seem to be a highlight of a community-driven spirit. Besides, there are so many mistaken activities in Strava, it would take ages for ordinary users like me, to flag those, and I find it hard to believe that Strava users will be motivated to do that long enough to filter thoroughly and sufficiently the Strava database.

    Using algorithms -or even artificial intelligence if necessary-, should be enough to improve this. The system detects a mistake automatically, corrects it automatically or provides suggestions and-or instructions to the user on how to fix the problem, and allows the user to give feedback in case the person has a valid argument to oppose or even reverse, the change.  That way, Strava can keep the positive things about being a community-driven service.

    Could you please give this some serious consideration?

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  • Hernán Vallejo

    Strava claim to have already done this in a July 26, 2021 update.

    To be fair I do know a friend who got one of these alerts because Strava thought they were on a ebike after they beasted it up some climbs. However this doesn't stop a constant spam of people taking KOMs while in a car and other really blatant false results. Clearly this algorithm needs a bit more work.

    If they could just solve the vehicle issue that would be a great bonus.

    If this is expensive computationally, perhaps they could only apply this extra checking to activities that take KOMs, etc.

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  • Like a post i've seen on here from 2020. It'd be amazing to have a place for Top10 visibility. I personally have loads of top 10s but very few KOMs. It'd be great to have this visibility so you can target some of your best segments but also to see where you're performing inside the top10. This would sit in the segments section alongside: Starred, KOMs/CRs, Local Legends. 

    I've seen this request on here from a few years ago with lots of upvotes, would be an amazing feature

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  • I suggest that Strava's desktop and mobile sites provide more information in the "My segments" page. By clicking on a segment, I can see how I've done in a variety of categories. I'm most interested in how I've done this year. I'd like to be able to see something like my performance this year--not just the KOM time and my time--by looking at the "my segments" page. I think this would help me to stay motivated year over year. Since there are some really good times from people that showed up once, but don't ride in my community regularly, it kind of ruins the competition if the goal of a KOM is unattainable. I find myself riding against other regular riders for top times for the year. But then I can't see that info in my segments. I have to navigate to a segment to see it. Also, all of the columns in the my segments page should be sortable so I can rank them by, for example: my time, KOM time, average grade, distance, goal time, rank for best time of year, etc.

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  • Jason Lamoreaux
    That's not completely accurate.  There are two primary sports - cycling and running.  When I change my activity to "handcycle" it does not change my leaderboard.  it lumps me in with all of you super fast able body athletes. Perhaps there is something I am missing?  I actually just created a new topic on this so that athletes with disabilities (handcycle & Wheelchair) have our own leaderboard to separate us from you guys.  I love competition as much as the other guy but I will never be as fast as the top performers here using my arms to pedal a bike.  its physiologically impossible.

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  • I would absolutely love to see separate segment categories for Class 1 E bikes and Class 3 E bikes. 

    I have created tons of segments in my local area and push myself to do my best every ride. However, because there is no separation between class 1 and class 3 E bikes, some people always have a pretty substantial advantage over me.

    I ride a class 1 EMTB, which gives assist up to 20 MPH. Another person that competes on my segments rides a class 3, and is beating some of my max effort segments by over a minute, despite having a relaxed heart rate. 

    This is important to me because segments help me push myself. I'm always looking to be just a little bit better than my last ride. 

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  • We need Top 10 Achievements under the KOM/CR tab. Not many people will ever get a KOM/QOM but it would be nice to at least celebrate getting a Top 10 result. I mean, it's still pretty impressive if out of 5000 people you manage to get in the Top 10. Yeah you're not the fastest i.e. KOM/QOM, but you're definitely one of the best. Please let us peasants celebrate our achievements instead of hiding them away in the segment leader boards.

    I have had a couple of KOM's in the past and I am holding one currently but they always get taken eventually. My profile looks bare but if it showed my Top 10 results I would have a bunch. It would be a nice little reminder every time I go to look at my trophy case that I am actually decent. Yeah I'm not the fastest but I'm still pretty good. 

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  • Braden Edwards ^That wouldn't be very practical....what about other countries that have different rules for e-bikes ? Are Strava supposed to have different categories for different countries ? You have a 20MPH limit, in Australia (for instance) the limit is 25KPH. Strava cannot be expected to have multitudes of categories for all around the world.

    some people always have a pretty substantial advantage over me.

    Some people will always have an advantage....they are bigger, stronger, can afford a better bike...just compete against yourself and your PB.

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  • Mike Nottingham. It's very, very easy to source a users location via a current location ping or based on account country settings... I do this stuff for a living. They'd simply adjust based on locale. 

    Saying "just compete against yourself" isn't constructive or solving the problem. 

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  • Braden Edwards - I understand what you are saying, but sourcing the user's location isn't really the issue.  Yes, that part would be easy.  The difficult, and really unrealistic part, would be creating different categories to match the varying rules for each different jurisdiction.  They would need to keep current on literally thousands of different sets of rules around the world, rules that change from time to time and technology and regulations evolve.  While it could be done, it would be very challenging to keep current.  Even if they could keep current, it would mean that past activities for leaderboards would need to be added or excluded as the rules changed.  Also, if you look at the data, it is hard enough to get people to even indicate whether or not they are using an e-bike to start with, much less know and make the selection of what class of e-bike they are using. It would be great if all of these different things could be broken out into their own categories, but it just isn't very realistic to make it happen.

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  • I don't think ebike riders are being dishonest. I'm sure the vast, vast majority of riders would be perfectly happy to declare their assistance level. Maybe one day the bike will communicate directly with Strava and communicate that information.

    The reason that huge numbers of ebike rides are down as rides is the way the Strava app is designed. There needs to be a greater assumption that people are riding ebikes in large numbers and it is no longer a niche option. Start with the assumption that all new riders are on ebikes unless they select otherwise.

    A human can easily spot when an ebike has been used, if the algorithms aren't that advanced yet then I feel they could be a lot more aggressive in re-categorising rides. Especially where the rider has no gear listed and is recording on an iPhone (or even worse an Apple Watch!)

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  • I'd really like to have a "season's best" as well as overall PRs.  This is a well-established concept in athletics, reflecting that performance changes over time, whether because of a specific event like injury & recovery, different levels of training done (we mostly have full-time jobs, families, and so on to fit around our sport!), or simply the harsh reality of aging. 

    When I first did some serious training using Strava to track my progress, the apparently relentless succession of PRs, taking a second or two here or there on segments I rode regularly, was a great source of motivation and sense of achievement.  Now, best part of 10 years later, and I rarely get PRs - I'm just older and getting slower as a result.  It would be really helpful to my training - and would encourage me to dig more into what Strava can do for me - to have something like this.  Either as a "PR/2nd/3rd bet time this year" or as a custom "give me PRs since <date>".  I'm not currently a subscriber but I would absolutely pay for this.

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  • I am writing to suggest Strava show actual timed placement in addition to (or better - instead of) segment rankings. Example - 2500 riders on a segment. 1st place is 25 seconds but I'm in "30th Place" at 28 seconds. 

    That is - I'm only 3 seconds out from tying 1st place and since Strava can only rank in 1-second intervals (this is not the UCI) I'm actually in 4th place - the 4th possible timed slot, not "30th" which is useless to know.  See attached segment times image example - there are 2500 riders on the segment so only 2 in 1st and 8 in 3rd. In my view those 8 are 2nd and the following 12 are 3rd place and so on... 

    1st Place - 25 seconds - 2 riders tied K/QOM

    3rd Place - 15 riders at 26 seconds

    18th Place - 12 riders at 27 seconds 

    30th place -  25 riders at 28 seconds.  

    So realistically 1st place is set, 2nd place is 26 seconds, 3rd place is 27 seconds, and so on. How is this not an option? 

    I see this issue repeatedly on many segments where I rank 129 or 151st but am only 3-4 seconds off of 1st / KOM so its much more interesting to see that number as actual placement vs. rank based on # of riders tied for a rank. 

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  • Kevin Caldwell - that's not how placement works in a competition, which segments leaderboards are.  Although you time may only be 3 seconds back, there were 29 people who completed the segment faster than you, thus you are in 30th place among those who completed the segment.  If you do a race, you don't get the 3rd place medal for finishing 3 second behind the leader if 28 other people were between the two of you crossing the line.  

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  • Kevin Caldwell

    Some interesting ideas.  Today I completed a Segment in 1:06 for 2nd place on the leaderboard and the KOM is 1:00 (the Segment is quite new and not many people have attempted it).  If I understand your logic, the fact that there are theoretically 5 times available between me and the KOM puts me in 7th place ?  Rather than calling it "7th place" maybe just showing the number of seconds behind the leader would be simpler and more easily understood ?

    The fact that you are shown as 30th on your example Segment is because 29 people have done it quicker than you.  That seems a fairly simple concept that I think most people would understand.

     

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  • @Jason Lamoreaux Ian Barton - First - I am unsure you've been alerted to this - I used "@" and your names - there's not a normal reply tab here.

    Much obliged for not verbally beating me to death. I tried looking this up and found literally zero results and I get it. Being stubborn I'd also disagree in a few ways. I also do not want participation trophies - and I can read the data, but it just looks wrong. 

    This is competition, but - it's also not at all b/c there are

    1) too many cheaters now w/ ebikes

    2) cheaters using others sports (like ski / boarding) to take cycling KOMs/T-10's in ski areas that are also bike parks)

    3) incredible amounts of bad data

    4) segment matching problems that award KOMs/T-10's without the rider having ridden the segment   - and numerous other issues 

    5) There can be any # of KOM's if tied - I'm on one with 22 other riders and then it jumps to 23rd - there's no Top 10 and that's misleading for any number of riders.

    6) This is going to compound over the years meaning at downhill parks or heavy-use areas - an actual Top 10 will no longer exist. Ranking will go KOM, #37, 141, 212 - and that's just not interesting or realistic. 

    Because Strava can't record in greater than 1 sec intervals (and I do understand my "best" times can be off even w/ the best GPS data) - its not really the same as an actual race and in fact, dissimilar enough that I'd rather see 22 people tied for KOM / Top 10 than see the missing places

    Ian's notion that having a plus seconds is a good idea.  

    My point was showing ranking this way is fine - but then a placement like 1,2,3 and so would be more helpful. I had no clue until the other day that being #149 was actually like 5th or 6th place so I gave up working on that segment.

    I'm wizzing in the wind on this one I'm sure but Strava doesn't explain it and in fact, I couldnt' find out how ranking worked anywhere but given that some of these segments are impossible to achieve KOMs or T-10s - I'm now wondering why even keep data on them?  You're 7 seconds out but in 1,001st place?  Useless.  

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  • Kevin Caldwell

    I agree about #6, there will come a point for all segments where the top 10 will become static and thus pointless.

    However I don't think awarding a trophy just for being within 10s of the KOM is a good idea. This is a total doddle for any short segment and will devalue trophy achievements.

    There does need to be an alternative ranking system, either one that rewards recent times (e.g. the last 365 days) or one that rewards repeated efforts (e.g. you wouldn't get top spot just for having one fluke time).

    Otherwise the whole segment thing becomes pointless and that is Strava's USP.

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  • is there a way to see my fastest ever 100km for activity type cycling?

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  • Why don’t local cycle groups or regular cyclists audit their local areas for strava. I would be happy to do mine to prevent the blatant and frankly frustratingly annoying E bile, gps data issue or people in cars!

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  • Kate Valler TBR

    They can and do !  My understanding is that any user can flag any Activity that is incorrectly categorised or has major GPS issues.  However, if a user has simply forgotten to stop their Activity before they get in a vehicle it is polite to add a comment on their Activity to point out the issue and give them a chance to crop out the offending data (if they decline to do this or don't respond then it's generally OK to flag the Activity to minimise leaderboard corruption). 

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  • More and more e-bikes will be present in our lives and I'm sorry to be discriminated against for having one. I think strava should think about creating its own raking for e-bikes. Honestly, I didn't think it was fair to have a single rating for bikes because a mountain bike will never be able to compete in a road segment against a road bike, but that's another story, now because you have an e-bike you are excluded from being able to compare the segments with the your e-bike partners find it super unfair and brutally discriminatory. Regardless of everything, road, mountain, electric we are all cyclists, at least I see things that way.
    As there are several filters, weight, age, gender, etc, I don't understand how difficult it is to create another filter/raking for mountain bikes and electric bikes.
    The biggest benefit of using strava is being able to evaluate your performance and compare your performance on several routes that you repeat, when this is not allowed it is frustrating and I think it is unfair to be excluded for using an e-bike.
    It would be nice to be able to compare my performances with my friends who have e-bikes, I'm not interested in being the KOM, but I would like to be able to compare my performance with the best.
    E-bikes are here to stay and only those who have never tried one the right way can say anything bad about them, well used they are as challenging as any mountain or road bike.
    It's not fair to have a single raking in which electrics are included, but it's also not fair to compare a mountain bike with a road bike on a road segment, maybe it was time for an update, I don't understand what Strava is for waiting.
    It makes me sad to be discriminated against for having gone from having a mountain bike to an electric mountain bike.
    We are all cyclists in this there is no doubt

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  • Miguel Oliveira - E-bikes have their own segments.  They have had them for years now.  E-bikers just need to actually make them just like regular bikers have to make their segments if they don't see one where they want one.  It is really simple.  If you want to compare against your friends who have e-bikes, you just need to make the segments you want to compare on just like you would with a regular bike.  Do a ride.  If you don't see a segment you want to see, click on "create a new segment" at the bottom of the segment list and then follow the instructions to make it.  You aren't being discriminated against.  You have your own category.

    Additionally, you need to go back through your activities and make sure to change all of the rides you did on your e-bike to e-bike rides in Strava so you are not taking leaderboard spots, including KOMs, from people who legitimately earned them with regular bikes.

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  • Miguel Oliveira

    I'm not familiar with e-bikes (I've never ridden one) but I thought you could just change the Activity type to "E-bike ride" or "E-mountain bike ride" if you want to record data about such things.  What happens when you try this ?

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