PR achievements on first attempt

Hello all, 

We're releasing a slight change to our PR (personal record) achievements. Now, when you first attempt a new segment you will receive a PR. Before, this would only occur on the second attempt if you beat your PR.  

Let us know if you have feedback for us.

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  • Yes, fine, your only attempt is technically your personal record. It is also your worst ever. Maybe all first attempts (and worst attempts in general) should get a poop emoji instead of PR. More motivating to go out and improve?

    Anyway Strava/Elle - this change has been out and you've received feedback for over a month. Is there any chance of this being reverted? It appears overwhelmingly not appreciated in here. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the change, though I'm sure there are some. Most I've asked assume it is another Strava bug, though I'm sure most wouldn't know how to find this thread to leave feedback.

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  • It's rubbish

    For most, I suspect a "PR" is a reflection of an improvement on a previous time. I don't want to ride somewhere new and get a hundred PRs

    What would be good is to have a marker when you do a new segment as this way you can identify if it's a first attempt rather than just a slow effort 

     

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  • I don't like this at all. Look ridiculous when you go for a long ride on new roads. And as someone else mentioned, it makes it hard to see where the actual PR's are. I can't believe anyone actually requested this new feature?! They're not really PR's are they, maybe technically as they the only time you done the segment, but the spirit of a PR is that you've beaten a previous attempt.

    Please stop with these silly updates (don't get me started on the the new feed....) and focus on fixing some of actual problems like KOMs at 243kph!

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  • Please delete this feature. "Real" PRs on segments you have driven before are drowning in a sea of "1st time" PRs if you happen to ride new segments. Plus on a long, new ride you get a list of PRs as long as your arm without exactly zero value added.

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  • Really, really, really dislike the PR on first attempt. I work hard to earn PRs and want to see them clearly when my ride finishes. I also like to mix things up on my rides which means combining old segments and new ones. This new change not only makes it more difficult to see my actual PR’s, but it takes much of the satisfaction out of the app since PR’s are less meaningful (participation awards as others have). Definitely a step backwards.

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  • NO.  Please stop this.  It makes no sense.  Yesterday, I did a mountain bike ride, and the activity was logged with almost 100 different segments.  My route was a mix of trails I had ridden before, with some new ones.  It is absurdly frustrating to look at a long list of PRs, and not be able to easily discern actual personal bests (e.g., rode that trail 10 times, and today, I was fastest), vs. first time attempt.  It makes the PR label absolutely meaningless.  Between this, and the ridiculous non-chronological feed, I have (sadly!) cancelled my Premium subscription.  

    Please bring back meaningful PRs, and a chronological feed, and I will reinstate my Premium subscription.  

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  • On 11/22 I voiced my ire with this system.  Folks, make sure and vote your opinion on all these comments you agree with. 

    Today rode a 34 mile trail I have never been on before.  I earned 61 PR's.

    Hay Strava,  if you are not going to delete the feature, why don't you display them as GREEN so we know we don't need to waste our time opening them to see how much we bettered our last PR on that segment.

    Or like I said last time make this feature optional by a selection in our PROFILE.

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  • My comment: It was a bad idea. That's all.

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  • I also downgraded my membership from Premium. Strava has shown itself to have become willfully tone deaf to the preferences of its athletes. The ridiculous non-chrono feed, this latest sprinkling of 1,000 "PR's" simply because you rode somewhere you had never been before, to the constant outpouring of "featured athlete" blogs. So much vacuous crap mascarading as "improvements." Instead of giving us requested services such as badges noting age-group KOM's, overall top ten badges for segments, etc. we get drivel for our ~ $60 a year premium membership. I realized there was only one service that was mildly worth my premium membership, and with that epiphany I happily cancelled. Even Elle, who I have respected, has been drawn into the Strava spinning of their mistakes ... "we are monitoring feedback regarding this small change ..." No, Elle/Strava, this is not a small change. Quit minimizing. Start listening. Quit shitting on your customers.

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  • I must say that what is most frustrating here is a lack of response or even acknowledgment of the significant negative feedback this change has had. It feels as though, if indeed this post is being 'monitored' that Elle Anderson and the Strava team simply do not respect the community enough to provide answer or rebuttal. This is frustrating. 
    Matt

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  • Hate this idea, totally devalues actual PRs and makes actual PRs impossible to pick out.

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  • Terrible. And annoying. My first time on a segment should not be an "award/pR". The subsequent time should portray my new pR.

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  • "Slight change"?

    Please, let this go away just like the Year KOMs that had to die a couple years ago.  Calling it a first attempt is accurate, but a ride in a new area recently got me PRs on every segment - this is just wrong.

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  • Hi, I hadn't thought of the idea of an explorer badge for new segments, and I have to say I like it a lot more than the "PR on first attempt". I mean - I was originally not hostile to the idea of a PR on 1st attempt, but I think that the explorer badge is a much better way to approach it.

     

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  • I prefer the old way of PR calculation. With this new way if you run a track for the first time you achieve dozens of PR, no matter how slow - or fast :) -  you were.

    I vote going back.

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  • Please revert this change. Though technically your first time on a new segment is a PR, that is not how I - and looking at the comments above many others - use it. Strava PRs show where you've outperformed your previous attempts. Having 10 new PRs on a ride means you really pushed yourself, and friends will take note.

    Now this only happens when you always ride the same route. When you add new segments (I explore a lot), this number becomes totally meaningless. How about a count of new/first segments?

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  • Agree with most above, this 'PR for every first attempt' really dilutes the usefulness of the app, and makes it very hard to scan your performance after a ride.

    At least maybe give us control over it, and give us a switch in Settings to turn that 'feature' (term used loosely) OFF.

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  • I noticed this a few weeks ago.  I don't like it.  You can't, in my opinion, have a PR on your first try. And it muddles the ride stats, especially if there are other segments that you "actually" PR on.  There's no differentiator.

    Please put it back, or make those an option.

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  • As a protest to the new PR for everyone mentality -
    Premium subscription cancelled.

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  • Terrible “feature” almost certainly driven by technical solution rather than user feedback. It’s made Strava much less useful and interesting.

    Even worse no response on it.

    I’ve cancelled my premium subscription.

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  • I find it rather annoying and not helpful.
    Any way to switch it off ?
    A PR should be just that, not a first ride !

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  • I agree that it is absurd to issue a PR on a first attempt. It's like winning a prize in a game that no one else is playing. It's meaningless and takes away from finding real accomplishments. Please stop this feature and only show credit for improving time on a segment. 

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  • This feature is obnoxious. We don't need meaningless participation trophies for simply riding a segment. It makes the whole idea of PRs pretty meaningless, clutters the feet, and makes me a lot less interested in even looking at my rides. This is the kind of thing that has me spending a lot more time on Training Peaks and a lot less time on Strava.

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  • it does not make sense, I dislike it, first attempt should not get  PR

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  • Repeating what so many have said: 

    Records should reflect a comparison. A PR should be the best of more than one attempt.

    Getting a string of PRs devalues a PR. 

    This is particularly bad for rides which cover both new and old ground. Getting "10 PRs" on a ride now has no meaning--does that mean 10 new segments ridden slowly, or an actual record setting pass on 10 old segments which I've been working to get better at?

    A 'first time' / 'inaugural' award might be interesting. But it's not the same thing as a record.

    (KOM has the same issue, but is much more rare.)

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  • I went on a 50 mile group ride yesterday in an area I've done some riding in, but not everywhere. I ended up with 46 achievements from that ride, of which the vast majority were PRs for riding segments the first time. Some other achievements were buried in that huge pile of crap, since some of the roads we were on I'd done before, and had achieved something during this group ride. It was like wading through a lake of crap in order to find the things that actually meant something.

    This is really one of the dumbest things I think they've ever done.

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  • For some reason this change just rolled out to my android client.  Like most of the comments here, I have to say I don't like the change.  It used to be exciting to see the PR badge on a ride... now I do a new route and have a wall of gold for no reason.  It really devalues the PR badge.

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  • You've turned PR badges into participation trophies. I'm actually annoyed that Strava says I have 10 new PRs just because I ran somewhere new. Those aren't PRs, those are first attempts. Give me a PR when I go back and beat my time, that's the true gratification and purpose behind PRs in the first place.

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  • I’m not a fan of this new segment PR thing. Don’t see the point. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on not getting PR’s on new segments as it’s not really a
    PR. But more frustratingly, I now don’t know if the PR is a genuine PR on a segment. I’ve done a few rides now that may or may not of included segments I’ve ridden in past rides but now unless I go in to each segment to see previous attempts...I never know which is which. Bit disappointing really.

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  • This past Sunday I had a group ride along a route that included a couple of very long streets containing a ton of segments as it went up through the city. The majority of the ride was along routes I'd ridden with this group a few times before. The ride turned into something of a hammerfest on the way back to the bike shop. When the ride was posted I had something like 45 achievements, but about half of the PRs ended up being the segments along the part of the route I hadn't ridden before, and the other half were actual PRs that were my best attempt yet at segments I'd ridden 5 or 6 times before.

    Obviously the new segment PRs were meaningless to me and were a chore to wade through, while I enjoyed looking at the PRs and other achievements that compared that day's ride with my previous ride, to see how much better I'd actually done.

    Again, this new regime where PRs are awarded for first-time attempts is really, really, ridiculously stupid. @Elle Anderson, please explain to us 1) why Strava thought this would be a good idea, and 2) what evidence Strava has that its customer base actually likes this dubious "feature" and would like it to continue. We're up to quite a few contributions to this thread so far, and as far as I can see everyone who could be bothered to come chime here hates it.

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