Designate between a "Group" and a "Solo" ride on Strava

This would allow Strava cyclists to tag a ride as a group ride or a solo ride, and also be able to sort segment leaderboards by those filters.

 

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  • I'm not seeking KOM's - I just want to monitor performance improvements in segments and full activities.  Not being able to differentiate solo vs group rides makes this more difficult for this goal.  Could you use historical sensor data (watts) and environmental data (wind speed and direction) to help identify group vs solo activity?  Even better, can you identify pulling vs not pulling?

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  • This feature should automatically register strava already knows when you rode together with others for individual segments it could determine if the segment was completed as part of a group or not  (when someone gets dropped/breaks away from the group for part of the ride). The basis for this functionality would seem to already exist in fly-bys...

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  • I'm not sure if Fly By's are accurate enough, I know from looking at some of my rides the Fly By graphics show a different picture as to what really happened when riding in a group, people out of order etc. Trouble is, if you are riding by yourself but overtake a heap of people during a segment, how does Strava determine if you rode by yourself or with the group.

     

    Having said that, I've lost a few KoM's lately by Group TT's so some way of telling the difference would be good (self regulation will never work)

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  • We don't need self regulation, let the users regulate.

    Add a solo/group switch which is set to group when Strava detects a group (which it does pretty well). Then add the 'Group effort set as solo ride" option to the flag-option. When you can be flagged when you don't set the group option people will start to set it correctly.

    Groups can still have their KOMs, no problem. We just want to compare solo rides to solo efforts.

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  • so... for one of the most chatted topics... it's interesting to see that it is still not available.

     

    I would like to do my laps of richmond park... but then separate between solo and team rides... solo is a boat load harder and something I really struggle to improve.  But this means that if I do a ride with a mate, I'll smash the solo effort and then never be able to incrementally improve it.

     

    I appreciate there will always be dishonest people who will get their PB's by drafting a moped/motorbike, but candidly, that's their loss, not mine as I'm never going to be that good that I'll be competing against them.

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  • Separate solo and group ride segment-logging and leaderboards needs doing. Rather than being a manual tick (open to abuse) it could be assigned as a group ride based on how many people you rode with and how long for - Strava already has that data.

    Currently there's essentially no point in me looking at my times when I've been out on my own because I'm never have going to have come close to times on segments I've ridden with a group.

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  • Been asking for this for YEARS for all the reasons above...it makes so much sense...yet we still don't have it, and my times are totally useless if I've done a group ride on that route/segment and would like to know how I'm doing on my solo rides. All I can measure and compare is my overall ride time. Seems like it would be SO EASY to implement this! (Strava?? Hello???) Yep...same as it ever was...crickets.

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  • People, you have to understand that Strava want to keep motivated those people whom never will be able to achieve a "solo" KOM or top10... hahaha.
    They are also clients, in fact, the most of them are "groupies".
    If Strava is the home of cheaters is because they want as that.
    People don't like reality. They prefer others think that a time achieved in a group effort with 18mph tail wind (that viewers don't know it existed) is really the same time others do in a solo ride with no wind.
    The same merits! Why not? hahahahaha
    That's why Strava don't register wind with the time done, as Garmin Connect, Endomondo... are doing.
    Strava is quite a big joke.

     

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  • have a look at this article, I know one of these guys and the other is colleague of another friend, this guy literally plans his rides to chase KOMs and gets them, Susan Corda have seen all the cheats on Zwift, they change there weight and change there gender, it happens everywhere, some have pride about their achievements and dont cheat

    http://www.bicyclingaustralia.com.au/news/aussie-strava-spat-goes-global-after-accusations-of-chain-attacking-koms 

     

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  • Strava it’s Time to do this - now!

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  • Was in a 'KOM-battle' with a few friends, taking a specific KOM (6 miles, approx. 15 min) and losing it to the other every few days. Last friday I got it back and that's fun, talking about the segment during the weekend and watching the others try and beat it.

    Today a chaingang rode the segment a couple of times, upping the speed and sprinting for the finish. The result: I've dropped to 9th and my friends dropped out of the top 10. Response: "we're done with this segment, we can't beat it alone". Bye bye fun battle.

    Please, please, please add a groupride-toggle.

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  • Please add this feature!!!

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  • Just want to add one more voice to the request. A KOM in a group is meaningless and discouraging to those who get it on their own.

    It is a MAJOR flaw in the whole ranking scheme for cycling. Eventually they all become irrelevant in areas with lots of riders.

    Personally I don't think it needs to be overly complicated. A distinction between group/individual would be interesting but unnecessary. Who cares who was hanging on at the back when someone drove the group over the line?

    Limit KOMs to those riding alone, period. That is the point right? It promotes healthy competition rather than discouraged abandonment of certain segments.

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  • When the notification popped in my computer screen and I saw the title... for one GLORIOUS moment I excitedly clicked on it and thought "here is the final answer that makes strava brilliant".    Then I just saw that it was a continuation on the thread.

     

    I have ACTIVELY said no to friends to join me on certain favoured rides, (for example Richmond Park London), because I know that all it takes is a couple of cars to force us into single file and next thing we're drafting.  If I smash a few segments together, then I'll never be able to beat myself again SOLO.

    I'm not saying DRAFTING rides are cheating, but if I beat someone, I want to know that I did it because it was clean, not because I was in a group.  Likewise if someone beats me and I find out they've been cheating, then it spoils Strava.

    :-(.... 

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  • When the notification popped in my computer screen and I saw the title... for one GLORIOUS moment I excitedly clicked on it and thought "here is the final answer that makes strava brilliant".    Then I just saw that it was a continuation on the thread.

     

    I have ACTIVELY said no to friends to join me on certain favoured rides, (for example Richmond Park London), because I know that all it takes is a couple of cars to force us into single file and next thing we're drafting.  If I smash a few segments together, then I'll never be able to beat myself again SOLO.

    I'm not saying DRAFTING rides are cheating, but if I beat someone, I want to know that I did it because it was clean, not because I was in a group.  Likewise if someone beats me and I find out they've been cheating, then it spoils Strava.

    :-(.... 

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  • Essential feature - Strava already recognises group rides so surely it makes complete sense to create and distinguish segment leader boards for solo and group rides. They are clearly not the same.

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  • Yes! I mean there’s a huge advantage to riding with a group obviously or even one or a few others so. Some of us that want to compare our solo efforts against other solo efforts -not team
    TT’s or peloton speeds.

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  • YES< NEED THE GROUP/SOLO feature!!!! Please, Start forcing a user choice before press "START", you must select "SOLO" or "GROUP" then START

    if strava detects two riders doing the same exact segment within a meter for more than half of a segment, over-ride any user "SOLO" setting to GROUP , cause THEY BE BUSTED! haha...

    Personally: i plan to create a second user -  2nd user name: "Rob Group Ride" only used for bragging rights over beers after... (i have never turned on my strava in group rides before)

    "Rob Solo ITT"  = is much more important - my own PERSONAL ITT BEST times... screw everyone else, the wind, the better bikes, the folks following pace cars (ive seen it!) and other cheating methods. I only do closed circuit comparisons to eliminate wind and ignore groups ahead of me... PLUS, a lot of folks are using e-bikes now, so funny, especially on MTB singletrack...

    I also dont want my group rides to mess with my personal ITT best times... dont mess with my personal goals!! 

    For me "DONT let this group ride MESS with my personal Solo Best!" is the most important issue and why this feature is a must. Strava should autopopulate the group or solo field from comparing same time/day rides from past years. And yes, that wont be 100% accurate cause many road with folks that do not have strava recording from 2015 and before.

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  • Buy a powermeter and then you can compare easily. Though it would be interesting even for leaderboards. 

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  • Now Strava has promised to be here for the athletes this is needed more than ever. Give us an extra option in the leaderboards: also show grouprides.

    The default can be solo-only and bring Strava back to the core: show other what you can do, or better: prove it.

    You can even turn the idea around: we've got KOM an QOM, add a group-option: Group / Squad / Team / Pack of the Mountain. Groups will be ranked separately in their own leaderboard. Detection based on toggle. When the algorithm detects other riders the toggle is auto-set and cannot be untoggled.

    A couple of friends have recently formed a squad and are actively chasing KOMs, when they want that: fine. But I want to see who my competitors are when I'm riding a segment solo going over 40kph. I don't want to compare myself with a squad of four of five that rides faster, with lower heartrates and lower wattage. Especially when I'm faster solo. It litters the leaderboards with uncomparable efforts.

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  • I just subscribed and I think this feature is essential. There is a huge difference between group and solo rides for segments at least on anything over about 15 mph. Otherwise the KOM is kind of meaningless. It would be relatively easy to compare time of day and segment to know if people are in a group or not. You don't need to enter anything. I looked at a segment on a ride I did today and something like 12 people all finished the segment at 27 mph on the same day within 3 seconds of each other. Strava doesn't show time of day of a ride in KOM list but the data is there.

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  • my experience over years, segments are used to match your activities as group rides, in a recent feature on activities, you will see other people gps path on your activity path and message another rode with you or multiple. there is no issue of defining solo or group its a coporate decision NOT to have group and solo KOM-QOM, I have even taught my friends on a group ride to sit at the back of the bunch and start the segment last then move up to front during segment and the get the fastest even if they came 3rd in the bunch sprint, I have also done all the hard work at the front and some else got the KOM on a few occasions

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  • There are a couple issues I see with adding this feature.  

    First - Strava's automatic detection of group rides or who you supposedly rode with is terrible.  It is pretty common for me to finish a ride and have it say I rode with at least one other and often multiple people when I was on a solo ride.  Looking at the flyby, I see I came somewhere near them at some point in the ride, but was never anything resembling drafting (often never even saw the other person).  

    Second - There is already a decade or more of data in the system that does not have this designation, so the leaderboards are already filled with a mix of solo and group ride results.  There is no way to go back and correct that, so you would only be able to filter them out if you reset the leaderboards (taking away lots of legitimate KOMs from the past) or just have it as a sort option from here-forward.  Also, you would have to have people actually designate their rides accordingly.  Right now, only a fraction of people even designate what bike they are riding, much less the type of ride, so I don't think you will actually get any meaningful data sets to work with.

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  • The first issue is just nothing more than a bug.

    The second is solvable depending how much data of the ride is retained. But if the segment start and end time for the riders are within something like 1% or 0.1% or whatever the threshold is then it is a group ride.

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  • Group-detection is fine on my rides, but you can remove this easily, that shouldn't change: not in a group? Just remove the other riders and / or toggle the option: easy.

    For the old data: Strava has one big source of 'computing power': the community. Right now many rides are flagged when they are in a vehicle or behind a scooter. When a group option is added some of the older rides can be changed by the group detection, the community can do the same.

    Sure, there will still be riders that chase a kom in a group, remove the others from the ride and deny that it was a group when someone 'group flags' the ride. But that's also the case right now, cheaters are going to cheat.

    The big win here is that you can designate your own group- and solo rides. It can also add a completely new challenge: get both the solo- AND the group-KOM.

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  • I still think folks are over-complicating this, but it really depends on your goal for the feature. For example, are you simply trying to see how your solo efforts rank relative to each other (my use case) or are you concerned with pack riders "stealing" KOMs?

    If the former, a v.1 modification that would be simple for Strava to implement, would be a toggle on your OWN rides to indicate if it was group or solo. That would be complemented by a toggle (filter) on the "My Results" Leaderboard view so you can see which of your own efforts had "group support" and which you did solo. You could potentially apply the leaderboard toggle to compare against other riders solo (or group) efforts, but there's no preventing them from choosing solo when it was really group. Regardless, this are simple DB modifications that would take little time and effort to implement.

    A v.2 feature could be to somehow automate this by analyzing the rides as other folks have suggested, but I'd think that's a lot of processing logic and overhead for Strava to assume for what is supposed to be a fun and informal competitive element of their service. And while this might be sufficient to mitigate the impact on "KOM Stealing" by packs of riders, I personally feel that's a lost cause already since we now have ex-pros out bagging KOMs and it wouldn't negate the impacts of recumbents, tandems, etc.

    Of course, none of the above mitigates my previously stated frustration that we have apparently just been talking to ourselves for the last 8 years anyway so this is unlikely to go anywhere any time soon.

     

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  • Jason Lamoreux as I said segments are used to detect group rides as over the years I have observed,I have written my own segment board page using the strava API (which is now dead with recent changes"paying for strava") and you could specify a particular date & time to see who won that day or finished first(sprint).

    Strava does go back, for example if you have a KOM and then you make it private or vice versa or an activity being flagged like the rider used an E-bike, it then reprocess the segment and this is the same for creating a new segment which I did and checked every 5-10 mins and I could see people being added to the leaderboard as it went backwards from newest to oldest activities. 

    As a database specialist I know this just to be scheduling a task and process to go through each segment and process the information on the set (soft) rules, just like what they have done with who can see the leaderboard with paying for strava now.

    Peter H you might be able to remove other people from your ride activitiy, that does not exempt them from being in same group in the segment information, eg you own only your activity and not the 5 other riders you rode with, you cannot dictate, your solution requires the other 5 riders to make their activity private.

    if you want to see more about what information strava allows us to see check the API https://developers.strava.com/docs/reference/#api-SegmentEfforts-getEffortsBySegmentId

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  • I haven’t read all the posts here so maybe someone has already said this,..
    Tbh, I really not bothered about KOM or my ranking, there are plenty of people faster than me and most of us. What I am interested in is my personal progress. I’ve ridden almost exclusively solo since I came to road biking (mtb for almost 30 years) and have improved dramatically over the last year. On my first group ride on local roads yesterday I smashed my previous PR’s on pretty much every segment I had previously set solo times on. Much of this on the return leg with over 100km in my legs on segments less than 25km from home. The truth is, even where I was leading, I was well rested from previously drafting. These segments are now lost to me to improve on solo.
    I’m sure I am not alone when I say I’d just like a simple switch that chooses solo or group and then additional categories in the Leaderboard stats, the same way you see ‘All time’, ‘Today’ of ‘Following’.

    Btw, thanks Strava! The app is an awesome training & motivational aid

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