Segments which only apply to your Club(s)

Is there any option to add Segments which only apply to the clubs you are in?  There are loads of segments which are duplicated or just wrong etc.  Or is there a better way for us to manage them?

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What if Strava made it easier to filter segment results by your club, and pulled this feature into the club page? For example, if there was another tab on the Club page for "Club Segments", the club could select some number of existing segments, and have the club-only segment results displayed there. In one glance, a club member could review the designated Club segments and track leaderboard changes, etc. 

Even better, add a time filter component, such as showing club leaderboard results from 'this date to that date'.

Thoughts? 

 

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  • And some pompous folks are too "lazy" to read, or their reading comprehension skills are "mediocre". If you are not a member of the club, you will not see any of the club segments or trophies. They are "private" to the club. You are arguing in favor of what we are asking for.

    Filters do NOT get the job done. In any sport there are different categories for different skill and experience levels. Pro, Expert, Sport, Beginner, etc. Beginners get trophies for being the best among their peers. In your world all riders should have to compete with the top pros, and should only feel good about themselves and get recognition if they are #1 in the world? THAT is stupid.

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  • Exactly why I'm not advocating for private segments.  I'm against it completely.  The point is meaningless if it is all private.  You want to be the KOM among all your buddies, by excluding the riders who are actually faster than you.  That is pompous and annoying.

    I've asked Strava to add filters based on actual race license category, they already link to USAC, so this should be a piece of cake.  Beginners or non-licensed should have their own filter type.  But a KOM is a KOM, there can only be one fastest person in a given segment, and that person get's their avatar for the KOM picture.  

    Its not private segments you want, its recognition for being better than someone else.  The trouble is, there is always someone better.  Even the Pro/1/2 or even Cat 3 riders who probably own most of the KOM's you wish you had a shot at, would get absolutely spanked by any tour rider training right now in Europe.  I doubt they are going to cry about it, and wish they had a their own secret and private segments that they could be the exclusive KOM on.

    Geez, at least the riders around here who can't get a KOM on their own have enough initiative to suck wheel long enough to steal a few top ten spots.

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  • But why do you care? If there was a private segment, you would NEVER see it, it would not affect you at all.

     

    I get it, I will never be as fast as someone who devotes their life to biking. But a private competition between my 5 friends keeps up motivated. If you never saw our private trophies, wards, or anyhting  would that affect you?

     

    I just don't understand why you would care if it is something that is private, and you never see. It does not affect you, so why do you care?

     

    Would you feel better if was changed to KOTC (King of the club) - 

     

    "Suck Wheel" ?  That kinda sums up your mentality

     

     

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  • You should re-read my comment.  I dislike wheels suckers as much as I dislike the idea of private segments.  My mentality is that wheel suckers have more initiative than those who want special recognition among their club, above and beyond what is already available.  

    I have many private segments of my own, where I can ride solo, repeatedly, and gauge my fitness level through the year.  I compete in races, and understand that a Strava segment for competition is meaningless, considering all the individual factors that play a role in cycling.  Like drafting, head winds and tail winds, pacelines, TT bike vs road bike.  If you want club level competition, paint a line on the ground and sprint, and race to the top of a hill.  He who reaches the point first on that day is recognized by all, and it's much more satisfying than a Strava segment. 

    Besides, Strava isn't even that accurate.  I've beat people before in club ride sprints, only for their iPhone/Android app inaccuracies to spot them an extra second or two, on show faster times on Strava.  And people think this is legit....  When several bike can cross a finish line in less than a second, and GPS and ANT+ data updates only once per second at best, why are you placing so much importance on a Strava segment with so many variables?

    Get on your bikes, in a club only ride, go out for some town line sprints and hilltop climbs, and he who gets there first can claim all the glory.  I can assure you this is more accurate than Strava will ever be.

    You don't have to devote your life to cycling to pin a number on your kit in a Cat 5 race.  You don't have to have big power numbers to fight for your town line sprints.  You don't have to be the smallest guy on the lightest bike to make it to the top of the hill first.  If you have a regular crew with a passion for cycling, go out and ride like a cyclist.  Don't talk it up, don't suck wheel or half-wheel, fight for your town lines, don't play leapfrog or surge, support your LBS, be self sufficient, and just damn toughen up; because not everyone can be the best.

     

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  • This is a great discussion! Lots of angles being argued here, and the feedback is great.

    What if we made it easier to filter segment results by your club, and pulled this feature into the club page? For example, if there was another tab on the Club page for "Club Segments", the club could select some number of existing segments, and have the club-only segment results displayed there. In one glance, a club member could review the designated Club segments and track leaderboard changes, etc. 

    Even better, add a time filter component, such as showing club leaderboard results from 'this date to that date'.

    Thoughts? 

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  • Adding the date range, or tagging the segment to a specific club is a nice idea.  I know of several segments along our primary club training route, that are segments like those discussed above.  They are all heavily dominated and owned by club members.  And all KOM's or top 10's have been obtained during high intensity, very fast, rotating pace line training rides (of which I find nothing wrong with; this is how all bike races are raced, except time trials.  There's no reason whatsoever to exclude these achievements from Strava segments).  However, they are also along very popular routes used by cyclist of all skill levels from the area.  The club rides however, are typically constrained to Tuesdays and to a lesser extent Thursdays.

    Allowing the ability to tag a segment to your club is a nice idea, thus allowing it to show on a list on the club page, but still keeping the segments public.  Adding a filter level on the segment pages to select certain days to hide, specific to different regular club rides, might add a level of interest currently not seen.  To be honest, I think the segment pages as a whole could use some refreshing.  The ability, (although not at all scientific with the inaccuracies of GPS devices) to select specific riders to compare side by side.  Also, it would be nice to have a comment section on the segment page.  At the very least, allow the segment creator to select an option for comments, as it could obviously get unruly with the inherit competitive nature the segments bring..

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  • Great comments and opinions on this topic!  I am in a club of 8 guys who are all at basically the same riding level and age.  It is non-competitive but recently we all were talking about this very issue above...We wanted to design and make a 7 day stage race that would only be visible to us.  Make the segments either after riding over the same route or creating them in the route builder.  The stages would be many miles each, some flat and some hilly.  The stages/segments would be posted in the club page and individuals in our group would go ride them and there times/stats would display only on our group page.  You can then add up times and make it as many days as you wanted.  The only way to do this now would be to ride the segment/stage that you want to make then make it a segment and make it public.  I don't really want to clutter up my area with 10, 40-50 mile full segments though.  

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  • A way to share private segments would be the smartest option.

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  • Just moved this to the feature suggestion section. Make sure you add your vote! 

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  • +1 for Elle's club segment tab idea. I see no reason to create club private segments, just select from existing segments as she says and filter for the club. One landing spot for all the "important" segments and visibility of your times broadcast to the people you want to see it. Widget style leaderboards that you can plug in, This trail all time record, another widget for that trails monthly leaderboard etc.

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  • A poll feature  to help the club leader choose the segments the members want to see would be a nice addition to this as well.(perhaps in the club forum)

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  • Ele thanks for the info on this thread. I see that is has been around since mid 2012 but did not see anything in reference to this feature being placed into Strava. Is there a time frame?

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  • Exactly a good reason for this. An area of trails or whatever which your club rides but isn't public and someone keeps flagging them because they don't want them made public. Not necessarily illegal trails, just private and you might have permission, or they're trails that have an agreement where they are not to be publicised, yet it would be useful to have a private club and segments limited to that club.

    Then you have NIMBYs who flag trails, again not illegal, but walkers object to them, find out they're on Strava and flag them. Keep them to a private club they can't join and they can't flag them. Also helps them out as it's less public so less people ride them.

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  • +1 here for creating club only segments. So few of us are at the pointy end of these segment lists so this is a great way to have interest in using the site competitively but and socially!

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  • I think it would be nice to be able to create a personal segment and be able to make it private for personal training use, not just clubs having the ability to create a private segment.  I would love to set up segments and see where my times have progressed over time not just the PR on a private segment. 

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  • I believe you can make private segments. There was an option to set private last time I created one.

    It's a small step from there to a club or private group segment really. Again to stress, from an Mtb point of view, you could have a ride on land where you have legitimate access, but it's private land so the owners don't want segments publicised beyond the groups who ride there, but a group may want to compare against each other.

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  • @Charlie, nothing has been done to move this feature suggestion forward on our end, but this is one of my favorite topics. I've chatted with the Product team about doing this feature as part of the Clubs page, and folks here seemed to like the idea. 

    Now that we have links to share forums like this to Facebook and Twitter, lets see how much support can be gained by sharing this with your friends on social media. Even better, post this link to your Club discussion boards. Happy voting! (Click the "Me Too" button at the top of this page). 

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  • I have found that you can filter for a club and segment and the using the date range(today, this week, this month, this year) this is an example for segment 5166093 my club 21915 and for this month  http://app.strava.com/segments/5166093?club_id=21915&filter=club&date_range=this_month only that you cannot pass those filters when using the embed on your own blog or external club page

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  • Our club includes juniors and newbies and the club only  segment would be a great feature for our riders to view our training routes with no presure to go fast ,A simple leader board with just the one time for the club ride would surfice (times would give a guide when to meet at certain intersections to join in and also the end of ride finish Time)

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  • Craig M, create a new club for your junior newbies(which they join), therefore you can filter on that junior club and see the segments they have covered, I you have read my post,  there is an issue with segment leaders board where this week & today don't work correctly, I have gone and created my own strava app to build a page of an activity what those riders did per segment for a given date see http://strava.lopeys.com/LastSat.htm

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  • Elle, You ask us to share this [STRAVA] with our friends on social media. The only thing I am sharing with my friends about STRAVA is how the "hazard flag" issue ruined STRAVA and how STRAVA has dragged this out over a year.

    Clearly it doesn't take that long to remove the hazard flag option or provide a reasonable option like noting the hazard, but not removing the leader board. Therefore the logical conclusion is that STRAVA has no intention of changing it ....so why not just say it, so we can move on?

     

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  • Sorry Rick - Did you see the news about the new features we released yesterday regarding the Hazard flag system? 

    https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/47450040

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  • I've just run across a 3rd party website created using our API. It pulls in data about segments and displays the Club-only leaderboard. You can create a segment challenge for a specific Club, and challenge the Club members to achieve their best times. 

    http://www.matesrace.co.uk/

    Please feel free to let us know what you think about this external feature built using Strava data. Is it related to the topic discussed here? How could Strava build on the idea if we were to develop something similar in the future for the Strava site?

    Is there still demand within the community for private Club segments, as discussed earlier on this thread, meaning segments that can be created as private except for members in a club? 

    Thanks so much for your feedback, we appreciate it! 

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  • This is my club page, where it checks for only group rides and shows only members of the club http://strava.lopeys.com/clubdates.php

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  • Hello Elle, I see there hasnt been much activity on this subject lately, but am sure there is a huge demand for club segments / segments that can be pulled onto a club page, displaying only club members on that segment.
    Here in The Netherlands leaderboards are super-crowded and there are way too many segments on every stretch of road - so comparing your own efforts to the efforts of friends/club members is difficult. I am sure you would get much more club activity on Strava, if club-segments would be possible!

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  • I'm president of a MTB association, we are using Strava for our rides / trainings and we are missing the same functionality.

    We would like to have private segments that can be sharred between members of our group only.

    Because some of this segment are on our private forest and we don't want to have this trails on a map that everybody can access.

    To avoid external person to access this private forest.

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  • Hi, i deal a MTB crew that is allowed to bike on some paths that are usually restricted to other users (pedestrians, hunters ...). Because we keep good relations with the municipal council, because we help local associations to work, because we are implicated in the social life of the village, we are allowed to bike and train on those paths. Of course, we have to keep quiet of to restrict the use to our members. But to train, we love keeping using strava for comparing ourselves (inside our MTB crew strava team). But because we have to keep quiet about the use of those paths, we finally NOT USE strava when we go biking there. Such a shame. (Marc)

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  • Really good Idea!!!!

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  • hi, that a very good idea

    it can be fun to make "secret" segments on private forest

    tanks 

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  • I agree
    Good idea.
    Clement of Meywhir Team
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