Segment Leaderboards

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  • Allow comments and photos on segment pages

     

    It would be great to make the segment pages real pages and allow people to both comment (with some upvote/downvote system?) and to add photos.  Could also just automatically use photos that people have publicly uploaded while on that segment. 

     

    My main reason for this is safety.  When exploring a new area or trying to help a friend in a different area plan routes, it's hard to tell if a road is dangerous, or if it's boring and filled with traffic, or if the pavement is a bit dicey.  Right now for this I generally look at strava segments and then jump over to google maps streetview.  This is kind of ridiculous - you have TONS of very useful photos, and I'm sure people would quickly add lots of helpful comments (potholes to watch out for, car/traffic warnings, good places to stop for food/water/etc).  

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  • On the Leader Boards, for a given segment, the current age groups do not cater for a time in a higher age group that is better than the Leader's time of a previous age group and do not show it in that lower age group Leader Board.
    I am in the age group 75+ and have some leading times there that are better than the corresponding Leader's time of the age group 70-74 (and even some outright KOMs) for the same segments.
    This is very annoying.
    Could we add another set of age groups, e.g.
    30 and over..........65 and over, 70 and over, 75 and over etc

    Colin Fyfe (Cape Town, S.A.)

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  • Ian Barton

    I'm totally with you that segments of 300m should be allowed. GPS accuracy is getting better and if anything this should allow even shorter segments.

    However, Strava need to be better at insisting upon good quality GPS data from users, if those users expect to get places on leaderboards.

    I can understand in the early days of Strava they didn't want to discourage users from using the platform if their GPS wasn't very good. But in 2022 even an affordable smartphone can provide really consistent reliable data.

    Strava should scrap the 10s rule and apply much stricter criteria when awarding leaderboard spots. There are far too many people with undeserved XOMs because they got lucky on GPS.

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  • Elliott Holt

    Personally I think this needs to go further. What happens if the original segment creator can't be bothered or is no longer active on Strava? There are an awful lot of segments that ought to be deleted for various reasons, perhaps a lot of these should be relegated to "private segments".

    As you say, this should be about the community aspect, there clearly needs to be human input as to which segments are out of date or unsafe, or just daft. I would propose some sort of voting system where certain segments are promoted to become "community segments" and these would then be maintained by all local riders rather than some anonymous creator.

    There are far too many poorly created segments out there, they are either unsafe or of dubious competitive value. They slow down Strava servers and are essentially spam segments. 

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  • Please add leaderboard filtering option to "local athletes". It's nice to compare and compete over time with other athletes in the same area. But it's no fun when some semi-pro comes in visiting for a week and takes all the local KOMs. Please add an option to filter to local athletes. (I don't know how "local" is most easily defined, maybe people with the largest % of their activities in the area.)

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  • Ola Carmonius

    I do find it odd that Strava aren't interested in this. Surely it is in their own interest to clean up real world segments just like they did for virtual segments. But please give the community tools to decide which segments need to be modified or made private.

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  • Ian Barton The best would be to have local moderators, who takes the responsability to choose wich one to keep.
    The current situation is just not working, in some climbs you have dozens of overlaping segments...
    And the idea of Strava team to let the rider "hiding" the one they don't like, in order to make them hidden by default later, is just not working as well.

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  • Ian Barton:  The alert for "there is already a similar segment" doesn't appear to work well - or new users just ignore it.  In my local area, there are three different segments for the same 2 km stretch of straight relatively flat road.  I cannot see a difference between them at all - even the start and end points are within 10 m of each other.  Would be an easy way to get 3 QOM's if I could bike that fast!!

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  • Rolf Nordstrom It is possible to filter leaderboards by age group already.

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  • Rolf Nordstrom - e-bikes already have their own activity type and their own segments with leaderboards.  All they have to do is select "e-bike ride" as their activity and it is all set.  They can go in and create any segments they want (just like a regular ride or a run) if a segment isn't already there.  

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  • Dan Dan Monk - Strava can't tell if you are riding in a group or solo.  It isn't even remotely accurate.  At best, it can tell if you are in the general vicinity, but that is about it.  No way it can determine if you are in a paceline or working together in any way.  It is fairly common that I get back from rides and have Strava note that I "rode with" so and so, someone I don't recall even seeing or maybe just caught up to and passed at some point.  Even in races, it says I rode with a number of others when we were never even close to each other except for at the start line, often out of sight of each other.  I totally get the frustration of people getting faster segment times when they work in a group, but the reality is that Strava does not have any accurate way to determine that with their data analysis.  Heck, GPS positioning isn't accurate enough to determine that if it wanted.  The GPS is often off by 20' or more, so no way it is going to tell which one of you is drafting off the other.

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  • Soren - I think most of us understand the issue with GPS drift and the margin of error with regards to segments adjacent to other trails/roads.  That is exactly why many of us are requesting the option to flag individual segment efforts rather than entire rides.  We don't want to impact someone's entire ride that is perfectly legitimate just because they happened to fall within the margin of error for a nearby segment.  We want to just be able to flag the specific segment match that was in error.  Please pass that on to your developers.  It would significantly reduce the number of support requests you get or complaints you get from people who had whole rides flagged for no obvious reason (to them).  

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  • Jason Lamoreaux Jesper Nygaard we absolutely understand the reasoning behind this request and we hear your need for wanting to isolate a specific portion of an activity for flagging. The examples are much appreciated, too. I will gladly pass this on to our product team.

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  • Ian Barton - I totally understand what you are saying and you are probably right that many of those who create bad segments won't go back to fix them, but is there any harm in having a way to at least ask them?  It's one of those "can't hurt to try" situations.  I think in some cases, the poorly made segments are done by people newer to making them.  They may not realize you can zoom in on the map to get a better view of the start/finish locations to adjust the points or are just in a hurry to get one made for a specific event.  I know we can always hide segments, but it is getting to the point where some of our trails have more hidden segments than unhidden ones.  

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  • Suggestion: the XOM on a segment should be able to rename it (as well as the creator). There are a lot of identically-named segments especially in some trail areas, and this makes them both difficult to search for and unclear in meaning. Giving the segment leader the ability to modify the name would be a fun additional incentive for people to take XOMs, and would allow for neglected segments to be appropriately renamed.

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  • I previously mentioned a problem with editing the titles of segments I have created.  The Strava support team have now fixed this problem 😀

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  • Leaderboards for segments are always polluted with activites with poor GPS (ie. using strava app on phones is a big culprit) or activities when users are in a vehicle. I recall strava had implemented auto filtering of impossible achievements in the leaderboard? obviously not very effective.

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  • I want to see my performance on segments with race events filtered out.

    We had a 4 day race in the area with hundreds of pro racers from all over. Their times now overwhelmingly dominate the leaderboards for the race segments, which happen to be very popular local trails.

    It would be great to have a filter to just hide race days.

    Here is one example segment that illustrates the problem:

    https://www.strava.com/segments/17784810?filter=overall

     

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  • Is there any particular reason why people can trail run the hiking segment boards but you can't say roller blade the running segments or use an e-bike on the bike sections. I'm asking for a friend.

     

    Sure, they are similar sports, but hiking and running are vastly different for instance. When I run, I wear shorts, running shoes and no pack. When I hike I often have a 20lb pack, light hikers or even heavy boots, and probably some clothes (vs running clothes on). Basically different sports.

     

    Some of the times on the CRs are not possible without at least running part of the segment and if you look at peoples GPS logs, they clearly ran. 12 min mile on a 2000 vertical gain in 3 miles is probably possible but highly unlikely, as an example. I'd be willing to bet that person couldn't race walk a 12 minute mile on fllat ground. Strava needs to do a better job with filtering out running gaming the system. 

     

     

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  • I get the concerns with ebikes on pedal bike leader boards.  That is flat out cheating.

    But I don't get the running vs. hiking vs. walking concern.  If one wants to be competitive for bi-ped locomotion then focus on the running leaderboards.

    As primarily a hiker, occasional walker and rare runner I always use the Strava running category so all my bi-ped activities are tracked as one for total mileage and also (this is the main reason) so Strava will record the activity on my personal heatmap (which walking and hiking do not).  As a hiker I have zero reason to use any category other than running.

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  • Official segments for race organizers, local experts, etc.

    In some areas (typically famous cycling climbs), there are too many segments and a lot of them are not properly created (end after cross section, wrong start, etc.). There is the possibility to hide them and some are hidden by default but it is not always the best one that is shown. It would be great to create an "official" segment category (and maybe "official KOM title") for some famous climbs. Those segments would be highlighted.

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  • I also would like Nordic Ski split into "Nordic Ski Skate" and "Nordic Ski Classic". Everyone's time with skate skiing is much faster than classic skiing. You can't compare the times. Often friends are putting in "skate" or "classic" in their description to help separate the two.

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  • It would be great to have a leaderboard that records data not just each month but for the entire year to see who are the athletes that do the most distance, elevation gain, and so on on the entire year. Thank you. 

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  • Totally agree Peter Cajthami........Some E Bikers in my 65to 70 age group smashing some segments but their overall average speed is no more than 12 mph 🤣🤣

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  • Segment leaderboard suggestions

    1. Would it be possible to have an all time top 10 leaderboard that showed the top 10 fastest performances (not the top 10 fastest athletes). I think this would be an interesting way to see consistent performance.
    2. An all time local legend top 10 would also be another possible enhancement.
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  • KJ Paul de Jong

     

    I agree - real simple.

     

    There will be some plonkers that will still intentionally choose the Acoustic category even when they're on an E-Bike just so they feel like they beat some people at something in their lives.....but being prompted before saving the ride would certainly help on the off-chance they got a conscience one day. :)

     
     
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  • How to move from page 1 to say page 20 on the leaderboard without having to go one page at a time?

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  • yep, i pointed that some time ago too.

    ppl using poor receivers - like phones, quite often have these advantage up to ~10 secs (coz they don't have more points, ot because recorded track was offseted by 50 meters in some direction).

     

    That's why i stopped paying for Strava... they ask for too much, offering buggy service ....

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  • Awesome Jojo - that's a great start!

    If people ignore from there, then they're clearly cheaters (or plain idiots), but hopefully the prompt will at least get them thinking about it.

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  • If a track has changed slightly, how do we manage the leaderboard? Should the leaderboard be restarted? I.e. if there is a mountain biking trail that has been around for 5 years and the track is quite different in 2021 compared to 2016 then how can we compare lap times accurately? If the track has significantly changed i.e. more corners, jumps, burms etc added then can we trigger a reset for the leaderboard? If I was to create a new segment, Strava would just retrospectively match all previous rides to this new segment, even if it doesnt perfectly match the exact path. Strava: "Same start point and end point? Must be the same trail."

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